ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

[RoboCod]

well no as the journalist will cite the professional source they used. ie Mi6 statement/security analysis etc


And yes it is analysis. He took data, analysed it and presented a sound argument. That's not bad really.
but that's not what's represented it was "a guy on reddit geo located them to x quarry in regime territory"




please dont get me confused for being on either of your sides here i think you're both fools but you're both making the exact same arguments against each other.

What is foolish? Blind faith in a regime, yes. I look at matters with eyes open though.

 

[RoboCod]

Surprised this hasn't been posted, considering the uproar we had over the Army being killed!

France has described the latest attack on an Aleppo hospital as "war crimes" and says the "perpetrators will be held accountable".

At least two barrel bombs hit the largest hospital in a rebel-held part of the Syrian city, an organisation that supports it said.

link

 

[RoboCod]

So what?

 

[RoboCod]

Journalist Vanessa Beeley talks about the situation in Aleppo. She also touches upon the hijacking of the Syrian civil defense force.

"Campaign of dehumanisation by the Western media of the people of Syria. Those in West Aleppo being described as Assad supporters. These people are not necessarily Assad supporters the difference is they don't believe in killing Syria to improve Syria"

Those are the people who get slaughtered if the insurgents get the support they need from the US/UK, horrific scenes of war on our TV sets help them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8mA0h7dCKI

Ah I see, so killing people in West Aleppo bad, killing people in East Aleppo (which is happening right now) good? Got it!

 

[RoboCod]

In the bin? It's a summary of your own viewpoint, regard it how you will.

 

[RoboCod]

Its a pity the ceasefire has cratered. Had it held it could have allowed vital humanitarian aid to be brought in.

Meanwhile in Yemen...

Indeed! well done Russia backed Assad.

 

[RoboCod]

Was never gonna happen - to many differences. Supposedly the US has been holding discussions with other partners about putting more military resources into Syria including potentially boots on the ground :S which would kind of force the issue with Russia one way or another - would be a bit of a game of brinkmanship which I don't think the US really has the stomach for even though Russia would likely blink first due to not having the logistics to back themselves up.

(This is the way they'd probably bring it in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37552749 - gives the US an excuse to act).

The US already have boots on the ground, just not in a sizeable proportion yet. What do you mean by the Russian logistics? They currently have the ability to ship arms and troops freely. Look at their deployment of SAMs, aircraft and ships.

 

[RoboCod]

If the US had a coalition willing to put serious military capabilities aimed at Syria in a game of brinkmanship the Russians simply couldn't match that logistically - they just couldn't divert that much away from other areas to Syria without compromising home defence capabilities, etc.

Almost wonder if the US is trying to do that to weaken Russia further - Ukraine would love that for instance if Russia had to pull resources from Crimea, etc.

I understand what you're saying now. It is a proxy war anyway, so your last paragraph is completely feasible

Look, I take everything I read in the media (lamestream or otherwise) with a pinch of salt. They all have their different agendas and biases, but I just don't see that they shill for our government. All the journalists have an over-inflated opinion of themselves and the way to be not taken seriously by their peers would be to be nice to any government - as former RT journos have no doubt found out to their cost.

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Oh mate, they got you good! Don't you realise, you got double bluffed and what you believe is exactly what the corrupt western media intend to trick you into believing? Listen to RaohNS, he knows better. He is enlightened.

 

[RoboCod]

What about BBC coverage of Corbyn? The #ToryElectionFraud? Their role in the Iraq war? Their refusal to cover tens of thousands who protested against the tories coming to power? Their coverage and clear bias with the EU (Remain)? No reporting (until 3days late) of the HSBC scandal?

The govt gives £200m+ per year to the PBC, he who pays the piper picks the tune. They just wouldn't give that kind of money with no strings attached.

They do exactly the same as the KCNA. Often its the "wacko" sites leaking information first. It still gets called crazy, but then when the MS run the same story (all be it days/weeks/months) later its no longer crazy.

Why not look into how uber got its contract? Why not start digging deeper with Red-Dead-Rebekah Brookes and the Murdoch press lies?

I agree far from perfect, but to expect any different is just naïve

Meanwhile, RT don't even acknowledge that a hospital in Aleppo was bombed, let alone by Assad forces. BBC much worse though.

 

[RoboCod]

Haha!

 

[RoboCod]

The recently deployed SA23 (S300) covers most of Syria, including raqqah, potentially making air operations more difficult there. So remind me, who is helping ISIL side again?

 

[RoboCod]

More astounding knowledge from the General.

 

[RoboCod]

Obama on the other hand clearly has some draw up there as liberating Mosul before his time in tenure is up would be major kudos and portray him in a good light.

Oh look, it's like I know what I'm talking about...

Two months to take Mosul from Isis, says Iraqi general

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/18/two-months-to-take-mosul-from-isis-says-iraqi-general

Still a tall order before he is out of office mind you.

 

[RoboCod]

it may take longer, but its clear that his strategy in Iraq is working, and ISIS are done for there at least for now, using small, careful use of SF and let Iraq / Kurds be the ones to clear them out

I just hope the new Iraq government are a bit more inclusive so we dont end up back here again in a few years

its positive at the moment that the Iraq army got its act together a bit more, and they are sensible enough to not let the Shia militias or turks take the lead into Mosul

Agreed, it's slow and steady but it is working. I don't know what the Iraqi Army have done to turn things around but for once they are not hot tailing it in the opposite direction.

 

[RoboCod]

Continued success of course helps too.

 

[RoboCod]

But the people voted him in.
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AND!?

So it's their own fault he's killing them? Your point is not one.

 

[RoboCod]

why do you want isis to take over Syria?

Hang on, I'm trying to work out where in my post that was stated? You're going to have to help me here. Is it embedded in the html?

 

[RoboCod]

it's embedded throughout the whole thread, you seem to have an issue with Syria fighting off the terrorists.

Ohhh I see how this works, the old interpret something someone says into some other completely different way that you want.

My turn: why do you want Assad to indiscriminately murder his own people?

 

[RoboCod]

While "liberation" of Mosul is in progress, Islamic State forces counter-attack in Kirkuk. I guess this is the drawback of announcing to the world when your military is about to embark on an operation, it gives the enemy time to plan a response.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37725108

The problem was, as ever, the ISF were poorly prepared/disorganised so the element of surprise was lost as execution was delayed.

 

[RoboCod]

so you don't have an answer, for someone who has spent half his life in this thread i expected him to have some kind of reasoning for his extremely biased posts

To summarise. You asked me a ridiculous question, in return I asked you a ridiculous question. Neither of us (unsurprisingly) received a sensible answer. So in short time we can bring this useless and silly conversation to an end.

In future, post sensible and meaningful posts with content or simply shut up and say nothing at all.