ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

What’s worse, quickly and brutally crushing decent before it spreads, or an entire country engulfed in a sectarian butcherfest?

Yes, it's what all governments should do. In fact, the next time anyone stages a protest outside the houses of Parliament, let's round them up and shoot them. That's a much better way to govern. After all, descent should be quickly and brutally crushed.
 
But a protest outside the uk parliament is unlikely to lead to a major civil war/armed insurection.

But you can bet if there was a major armed group turn up outside the houses of parliment demanding the removal of government it would be met with machine gun fire courtesy of the armed forces

Of course, you're right. But where was the major armed group initially during the 'Arab spring'. ??

Military troops opened fire during protests in the southern part of Syria on Friday and killed peaceful demonstrators, according to witnesses and news reports, hurtling the strategically important nation along the same trajectory that has altered the landscape of power across the Arab world.

Again, people making up their own version of history.
 
Comparing the UK to Syria in that way was retarded. Stop being obtuse.

Wrong. Humane values and morals are the same regardless of the country. They don't just simply dissolve because you're in a different one, to say otherwise is what is obtuse. You can't have it both ways... Syria, hailed as an advanced, cosmopolitan, utopian place in this thread. Yet can't allow peaceful protest and must massacre those who oppose the actions and views of their government... That is a retarded perspective.
 
Pathetic.

The UK once had continued civil unrest, infighting, revolt, it progressed. It's nothing to do with the cultures, we're just at different times in development of our countries.

I'm amazed how pro-dictatorship some of our posters are. Pretty sad really.
 
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from another standpoint - Gadaafi , Hussein etc kept the nut jobs (and those he didn't like) in check - we didn't have the multi country war fare we have today....

We've had this over many times in this thread (and other threads). Some people are for dictators, to rule "the barbarians" with an iron fist and stamp out anyone with other views. Personally I think that's it's disgusting to view people so lowly and it is short sighted not to promote progression in these states. So what if there is infighting and violence to get there? The modern civilised world went through it all to get there. The views held by some people on this forum are simply because they're sat in their cushy little homes without any real comprehension of the world beyond.
 
The infighting and violence hasn't really changed since 632 and the death of Muhammad and then after the split in Islam between Sunni and Shi`a

Absolutely, (which on another note is why I Cringe when the ocuk resident shills harp on about the west creating isil. No, we simply triggered another phase of the historic Sunni vs Shia war). So let's consider what might overcome this silly religious based war? I mean, looking at the developed world it could actually be progress, secularism, education and certainly not dictators...
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...aged-pro-Assad-captives-as-human-shields.html

There are 101 cases of rebels using human shields in Syria

How about chopping a live childs head off?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ked-moderate-syrian-rebel-group-filmed-cutti/

If you don't think Jabhat Fateh al-Sham AKA Al-Nusra Front are everywhere in Syria you need your mind testing.

And yet you're still pro Assad, who does just as worse, but is the leader of the nation. Wow!
 
What with Countries like Saudi Arabia pulling the strings behind the seems. Pull the other one

Wrong. The US are pulling the strings as the Saudi power house is funded by the dollar backed oil industry,that's pretty simple to understand come on. Persia are peeved about that, as a Shia entity, they were once the super power in the region.

Go study some history, stop bleating soundbites and referring to the actions of a few heinous people and their actions to back your unfounded support for a dictator who executes his own for simply having another view. This is the reason it looks silly when you try and take the moral high ground on matters.
 
It might be of interest - but my upcoming dissertation will be based upon the missed chance between Baldwin and Saladin and actual peace (and divison of the holy land) - down to the powerplay of Reynard de chatilion and guy de lusignan.

Over a thousand years of war could (imo) have been halted.
I'd be interested to read that when finished if possible!
 
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