ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Danny75 said:
Harsh. Very.

If you were a reporter who visited Douma, would you insist on taking down the names of absolutely everyone you casually spoke to in order to get a general feel of things, on the street, instead of just the names of a smaller sample of people you actually interviewed, such as:




and:




Or would you only restrict yourself to interviewing a few people, and not try and get a general feel from others?

Enlighten me, please.
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It's telling when the article sets out its entire piece on the sentiments from one doctor. Fake news anyway, right?

ubersonic said:
That's a no then, shame I was hoping you would let slip some classified intel or something XD
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"Intel"... Haha

I think the link I gave you is pretty much all you need. Given the Americans have the abilities that they do, I think it's fair to say they are best placed to ascertain who did it.

InB4 false flag/fake propaganda/Russians didn't say it so it's not true.
 
ubersonic said:
A random website where the author puts forward an opinion with nothing to back it up
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Sounds very much like yourself!
ubersonic said:
you can't cite that as a source for your theory (especially as it doesn't even say anything to support it).
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I'll cite what I like

Yeah the ONIR and now SBIR system is a load of made up twaddle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System

https://amp.space.com/39427-atlas-v-rocket-launches-missile-warning-satellite-sbirs-4.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Tracking_and_Surveillance_System
 
@ubersonic , I can only summise that you didn't bother to read the whole article either, otherwise you'd have noted the sources at the bottom of it..

SOURCES
  1. “Space Based Infrared System,” U.S. Air Force, November 23, 2015, http://www.afspc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123341934. ↩
  2. “Space Based Infrared System” U.S. Air Force, November 23, 2015, http://www.afspc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123341934. ↩
  3. Jonathan Charlton, “SBIRS GEO-4 Satellite will Leapfrog GEO-3 to Launchpad,” Space News, July 24, 2015, http://spacenews.com/sbirs-geo-4-satellite-will-leapfrog-geo-3-to-launchpad/; “SBIRS GEO Flight 3 Arrives in Florida, Prepares for October Launch,” North American Aerospace Defense Command, August 5, 2016, http://www.norad.mil/Newsroom/Artic...rives-in-florida-prepares-for-october-launch/. ↩
  4. “Space Based Infrared System” U.S. Air Force, November 23, 2015, http://www.afspc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123341934. ↩
  5. Amy Butler, “An Unprecedented Peek Behind the Sbirs Veil,” Aviation Week & Space Technology, October 20, 2015, http://aviationweek.com/space/unprecedented-peek-behind-sbirs-veil. ↩
  6. Amy Butler, “An Unprecedented Peek Behind the Sbirs Veil,” Aviation Week & Space Technology, October 20, 2015, http://aviationweek.com/space/unprecedented-peek-behind-sbirs-veil. ↩
  7. Marcia S. Smith, Military Space Programs: Issues Concerning DOD’s SBIRS and STSS Programs (CRS Report No. RS21148), (Washington, DC: Congressional Research Service, January 30, 2006), http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rs21148.pdf. ↩
  8. “Infrared Satellites,” Los Angeles Air Force Base, November 21, 2012, http://www.losangeles.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Article/343725/infrared-satellites. ↩
  9. Loren Thompson, “SBIRS: The Pentagon’s Most Important Space Program For Preventing Nuclear War,” Forbes, June 8, 2015, http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenth...gram-for-preventing-nuclear-war/#4f92c6364c9b. ↩
  10. Amy Butler, “An Unprecedented Peek Behind the Sbirs Veil,” Aviation Week & Space Technology, October 20, 2015, http://aviationweek.com/space/unprecedented-peek-behind-sbirs-veil. ↩
  11. Loren Thompson, “SBIRS: The Pentagon’s Most Important Space Program For Preventing Nuclear War,” Forbes, June 8, 2015, http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenth...gram-for-preventing-nuclear-war/#4f92c6364c9b. ↩
  12. Amy Butler, “An Unprecedented Peek Behind the Sbirs Veil,” Aviation Week & Space Technology, October 20, 2015, http://aviationweek.com/space/unprecedented-peek-behind-sbirs-veil.
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ubersonic said:
To clarify further, the part you're referencing is this bit (I assume as it's the only part related to the topic):


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The reason there is no source cited and it says "is likely to have" is because the author wishes to make it clear it's merely his opinion. Short of the US declassifying it's intel there's no way we can know if any of this is correct, but it's irrelevant as it doesn't actually support your claim anyway. It says the missile was Russian made not that it was fired by Russia (which is technically incorrect too as the author is using Russian made as a drop in replacement for Soviet made, and that's not how it works).

So while your conspiracy of Russia shooting it down is quite enticing, as you have nothing to support it but your gut I will opt to stick with the known facts/official story. That it was Ukraine pro-Russian rebels who shot it down and that Russia helped them make the evidence disappear.
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Sorry, you're wrong :)
 
StriderX said:
If he's wrong, then why would Russia shoot down a civilian aircraft over a warzone they want keep under as much suspicion as possible?
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Exactly, why?

RoboCod said:
Why do men in power do anything that they do? More so, why do dictators in particular? And why do they cling on like they do? Power and greed, like any other is why. That and ego.
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You seem to be applying rationale and "good guy" status to Russia, when on the other hand you think it's preposterous that people should do the same with regards the US.
 
IN THIS THREAD....the male population of a country are trained to use complex SAM systems and can successfully shoot down an air liner with one. First shot too! Some ninja nationwide training there.
 
dowie said:
But in this case "rebels" = Russian soldiers using Russian equipment who are there unofficially... unless you want to continue with the rather less probable idea of one of the rag tag bunch of locally recruited militia groups just happening to be a trained artillery soldier specialising in air defence.
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You got it.
 
ubersonic said:
This has only been reported on dodgy news sites so far so take it with a pinch of salt but there's reports coming in that Iraq has now joined Iran/Russia/etc in backing up the Syrian government:



https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...r-new-agreement-with-syrian-military-reached/
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Correct. They state it's to show they support the eradication of ISIS. Personally I think it's just to show they can deliver some kind of air power. More concerning is what does their ROE and tolerance of CDE look like.
 
Danny75 said:
4000% increase in Russian bot activity = 4000% increase in scepticism of the government's account/s.
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You're just taking the information out of context for the benefit of your own agenda pushing....

Russia used trolls and bots...
experts had uncovered an increase of up to 4,000% in the spread of propaganda from Russia-based accounts
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IronWarrior said:
Biggest capture of weapons and tanks since the start of the civil war from the Army of Islam.

Report of least 90+ tanks.

Equipment, weapons and any working vehicles will be shared among the rebels who switched sides and local forces who need to replace any losses.

All this was given over just outside of Damascus.

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The green boxes contain Chinese Red Arrows anti-tank missiles, paid by the CIA or the Obama funded program.

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https://twitter.com/Nidalgazaui/status/987616649732939776

https://twitter.com/StrategicNews1/status/987693974092701696

http://wikimapia.org/m/#lat=33.6285482&lon=36.6164249&z=11&l=0&m=b
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#fakenews
 
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