ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

scorza · 22 May 2015 at 19:21

OldCoals said:
We aren't fighting them in this country though really.

Of course we are, we have to fight them wherever they are and there seem to be plenty in this country.

Danthus · 22 May 2015 at 19:23

scorza said:
Of course we are, we have to fight them wherever they are and there seem to be plenty in this country.

Sympathisers, almost none have acted like combatants in this country.

scorza · 22 May 2015 at 19:51

OldCoals said:
Sympathisers, almost none have acted like combatants in this country.

Aye, and it's what sympathisers can become that worries me, we're long overdue for nipping this in the bud.

Amnesia · 22 May 2015 at 22:02

scorza said:
Do you think we're making much progress in the fight against the Islamic State with our liberal laws?

I just don't have the words.........

kissenger · 22 May 2015 at 23:05

arknor said:
tbh we should just encourage anyone who wants to join isis to go and do it.
burn their passports as they leave.

anyone who supports isis should win a free trip to, no point pushing them underground and off the radar

I wouldn't go as far as to encourage anyone, but if they want to do it I don't think the British state should stand in their way.

Let's be honest, the type of people who find IS alluring are not the type to contribute much to British society anyway, so losing them wouldn't be an issue, and I don't see the point of incurring the cost of monitoring these people or jailing them if they are prosecuted and found guilty of trying to join IS.

The only reasons why it might be worth stopping them are:

(1) If there's the possibility of US-UK forces on the ground in the region in future, in which case you don't want to give the enemy any additional numbers, or

(2) If the people going over are particularly young, because 16 and 17 year old kids can be very impressionable and that age is also tough for a lot of kids because that's when they leave school and have to find a job. Isis is probably quite alluring if you're a bit thick, can't find a job and are regularly exposed to IS propaganda.

Danthus · 24 May 2015 at 18:27

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32867220

So the weapons the the US gave to the Iraqi army are falling into the hands of ISIS.

FishFluff · 24 May 2015 at 18:46

scorza said:
Aye, and it's what sympathisers can become that worries me, we're long overdue for nipping this in the bud.

So when it comes to potential ISIS threats you're a big believer in slippery slopes, but not when it comes to censorship laws?

Dj_Jestar · 24 May 2015 at 18:57

scorza said:
Of course we are, we have to fight them wherever they are and there seem to be plenty in this country.[citation needed]

gettothechopper · 24 May 2015 at 19:08

OldCoals said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32867220

So the weapons the the US gave to the Iraqi army are falling into the hands of ISIS.

running away ("withdrawing") is a completely valid tactic when necessary
dropping your weapons before you do it is stupid

keep them for next time you fools!

Danthus · 24 May 2015 at 19:37

gettothechopper said:
running away ("withdrawing") is a completely valid tactic when necessary
dropping your weapons before you do it is stupid

keep them for next time you fools!

Running away when you vastly out number the opposing force just isn't cricket old boy.

scorza · 24 May 2015 at 20:13

FishFluff said:
So when it comes to potential ISIS threats you're a big believer in slippery slopes, but not when it comes to censorship laws?

Is there a rule that says there can't be slippery slopes and lines in the sand in different circumstances?

Dj_Jestar said:
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Do you seriously not think there are plenty of Islamic State sympathisers in the UK? Have you ever watched the news? I know you think you're being clever, like Dolph, by just quoting me and saying "citation needed" but you're going to have to be a bit selective if you don't want to end up looking like an idiot.

In other news, Islamic State burn alive woman sex slave who refuses to take part in 'extreme sex act' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...gage-in-extreme-sex-act-un-says-10272832.html

RoboCod · 24 May 2015 at 20:32

Citation needed

Dj_Jestar · 24 May 2015 at 20:35

scorza said:
Is there a rule that says there can't be slippery slopes and lines in the sand in different circumstances?

Do you seriously not think there are plenty of Islamic State sympathisers in the UK? Have you ever watched the news? I know you think you're being clever, like Dolph, by just quoting me and saying "citation needed" but you're going to have to be a bit selective if you don't want to end up looking like an idiot.

In other news, Islamic State burn alive woman sex slave who refuses to take part in 'extreme sex act' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...gage-in-extreme-sex-act-un-says-10272832.html

You're going to have to be a bit selective of your evidence to make the claims, instead of providing none. So.. citation is needed.

In other news, don't change the subject. Post your evidence.

RoboCod · 24 May 2015 at 20:38

Dj[citation needed said:
_Jestar[citation needed] You're going to have to be a bit selective of your evidence to make the claims, instead of providing none.[citation needed] So.. citation is needed.

In other news, don't change the subject [citation needed] . Post your evidence.

scorza · 24 May 2015 at 20:41

Dj_Jestar said:
You're going to have to be a bit selective of your evidence to make the claims, instead of providing none. So.. citation is needed.

In other news, don't change the subject. Post your evidence.

This might be news to you but this is the General Discussion forum, not a PHD thesis so no I don't need to provide you with a citation to back up every opinion I hold. Feel free to disagree with me when I say there are plenty of Islamic State sympathisers in this country, you'd be wrong but feel free to do so.

Dj_Jestar · 24 May 2015 at 20:47

scorza said:
This might be news to you but this is the General Discussion forum, not a PHD thesis so no I don't need to provide you with a citation to back up every opinion I hold. Feel free to disagree with me when I say there are plenty of Islamic State sympathisers in this country, you'd be wrong[citation needed] but feel free to do so.

I will.

Amnesia · 24 May 2015 at 20:53

another foiled attack

Destination · 24 May 2015 at 21:00

scorza said:
Aye, and it's what sympathisers can become that worries me, we're long overdue for nipping this in the bud.

Suggest how.
Serious Scorza suggestions please.

scorza · 15 Jun 2015 at 07:52

Town in shock as 17 year old becomes Islamic State suicide bomber

I wish I could say that I was shocked that it was a town in West Yorkshire that was home to this moron.

Cosimo · 15 Jun 2015 at 07:58

scorza said:
Town in shock as 17 year old becomes Islamic State suicide bomber

I wish I could say that I was shocked that it was a town in West Yorkshire that was home to this moron.

I bet the majority isn't shocked and are pleased that there is one less idiot who could be involved in more acts of terror. Trust the BBC to make up such a ridiculous headline.