ISPs to be ordered to boot illegal downloaders

Lysander said:
The production companies know their products are worthless. Everyone does, the industry is in panic. Bands are getting more grateful to any label offering them an advance because it's getting harder for the labels to recoup their money from record sales. EMI sacked a third of its staff. CD aisles are getting smaller. Chains are shutting down.

CDs are priced the way they are for a reason, not because of avarice. And digital sales work well too for labels, though they don't give such a large takeback as CDs. I think it's a great idea putting the onus on the ISPs rather than the users. Enforcing it... well... that's another matter.
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This is 100% true in the day musicians required middlemen and large recordhouses to produce their works. Now they just need a webhost and checkout.

Publicity should come from word of mouth and radio should pick up on local vibes. This doesn't happen and we are still very much force fed music by large companies who have shareholders, literally 100s of hanger's on and bottom feeders who take a skim.

Of course so long as people want to buy what they are fed by these companies then there is no solution.

I pay for my software especially the stuff from the smaller companies and donate to others for their products if i find them useful (ie no script) for firefox and Adblock Plus.

I bought all my DVD copy software including DVDfab and nero.

The only thing I downloaded "illegally" recently were some episodes of a programme that was already aired on SKY one but i missed them. I could have got them from a mate but downloading was easier. I transferred them to USB watched then deleted them? Should my ISP ban me and report me to the police? If so then they better start banning VHS recorders, DVRs media center PCs sky plus as well.

What's the difference? It's a technicality really and the powerhouses know it. Was it available for download somewhere in my present country I would have bought the episode but it's not because the country I'm in doesn't broadcast english tv programmes. You have to live in UK or Ireland to legally watch TV shows in English. Go figure :rolleyes:
 
I think this is a combination of ignorance and the "something must be done!" mindset. Something must be done, this is something, therefore we will do this. The current situation is a bit of a farce, with so many people ripping off so much stuff, but it can't be as bad as the businesses make it out to be or else no-one would be buying anything. Something does need to be done, but this isn't it.

Unless...this is just a cover to ease in state monitoring of internet use?
 
so how much would the 10 people left over (who are 100% legal) have to pay per month for their connection if all the 'illegals' were booted :D

£10000 p/m mayb?..... ouch :confused: lol
 
The_One said:
Be* aren't bothered about the news anyway lol
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That's rather ironic considering their rather draconian FUP. But I also agree, I doubt this'll come to much. Only the most prolific users will be caught, it's not worth the ISPs time for something that makes them unpopular with thier customers and costs them money.

Burnsy
 
Let's face facts; piracy is the driving force of today's high speed internet connections and ISP price wars. Other than downloading legally purchased music/streams there's little use for a fat pipe since I'd hazard a guess and say the large (law abiding ;)) majority of UK users just use their connections to surf the web and use email. You could easily just use a 1Mb connection for that.

As Gilly has said it's not the end-user's fault program episodes like LOST are released late over here. This kinda thing drives people to download the episodes instead of waiting (or if you're a Virgin Media user like me, not be able to see at all).

If corporations want to come up with a way for us to have content the same time as it's released in say the US and at a fair price then I'm all for it, until then.. *pats SSL Usenet connection*:)
 
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Soviet said:
Let's face facts; piracy is the driving force of today's high speed internet connections and ISP price wars. Other than downloading legally purchased music/streams there's little use for a fat pipe since I'd hazard a guess and say the large (law abiding ;)) majority of UK users just use their connections to surf the web and use email. You could easily just use a 1Mb connection for that.

As Gilly has said it's not the end-user's fault program episodes like LOST are released late over here. This kinda thing drives people to download the episodes instead of waiting (or if you're a Virgin Media user like me, not be able to see at all).

If corporations want to come up with a way for us to have content the same time as it's released in say the US and at a fair price then I'm all for it, until then.. *pats SSL Usenet connection*:)
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OK, you get that people own the rights to the media, and whether they sell the right to watch it to you is entirely up to them?? You have no right to watch the latest series, if the creators decide they don't want to sell in in the UK then thats their choice. I'd love to see someone get completely screwed for trying to use that as a defence.
 
Shellac said:
I'm not surprised that the politicians are seeing this as a winner in keeping the music/film/tv industry happy. But how exactly will the ISP's police & enforce it?

The ISP's do not have a list of every piece of copyrighted material ever?

Hence.. Let's just say I download these files.

Random.Linux.ISO
Free.band.promo.mp3
Bad.Man.Illegal.Download.mp3
A.Rubbish.E-Book.PDF
obscure.80's.indie.drone.rock.lo-fi.no-wave.album.RAR

The ISP's can track all the bittorrent traffic they want, but how can they actually prove that the file you have downloaded is breaking copyright without also downloading and inspecting the files themselves, and then confirming with the 'artist/creator' that this file falls under copyright protection?

Will I recieve a warning email for the Linux.ISO?

Yes, I'm sure it will be easy to catch the kids downloading Pirates of the Caribbean, but this whole plan will just create an insane amount of work for the ISP's, unless they just nail a few token high profile cases and are seen to be fighting the 'problem'.

Perhaps someone knows a bit more about the legal side than I. Any thoughts?
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This is the key. Surely the proposed idea is flawed on the basis that the cost to implement would be dependant on getting the vast numbers of by nature, large media files, then finding the time to inspect the content and compare to said copyright material. They can't just assume a file is illegal from a title without checking it. So assume this went live, huge storage requirments would arise, and thats even assuming they would have there own download boxes downloading the same content from within a swarm.

It sounds like scare tactics to me. "Yeah we're going to crack down on it". But in fact they don't even realise what they are potentially having to pursue and setup. It would do more overall damage than harm I would suspect.
 
bigredshark said:
OK, you get that people own the rights to the media, and whether they sell the right to watch it to you is entirely up to them?? You have no right to watch the latest series, if the creators decide they don't want to sell in in the UK then thats their choice. I'd love to see someone get completely screwed for trying to use that as a defence.
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Mmm, think you've missed my point entirely.:) I never once claimed that the end-user has rights to watch the latest episode regardless of whether the publisher has released it in a certain region or not. I'm just saying that until content is released on a better timescale across regions, then people will resort to using P2P or Usenet to download said content before it is televised/screened in their area.

It's not the end-user's fault that the publisher won't release their product(s) on an even timescale globally. Obviously that doesn't make the downloading right but there's always going to be 'lost profits' as far as I'm concerned if it stays this way.
 
Soviet said:
It's not the end-user's fault that the publisher won't release their product(s) on an even timescale globally. Obviously that doesn't make the downloading right but there's always going to be 'lost profits' as far as I'm concerned if it stays this way.
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Yep. Thats what I was going for too.
 
Yes its a technical problem
and then is it illegal to download a small part of a file you never use.

They will have to lower the required proof and that will open a can of worms
 
Quick question. How many on here are running pirated software? It's almost certainly available legally in this country now. Bearing that in mind I'm not sure that the "availablility" argument is valid.

Maybe it is just a cost issue?
 
Isnt this just going to make it easy to get rid of your ISP if you want to switch to a different one?
 
lol i bet the UK gov/MP's download 'illegal' stuff (of 99.9999999% of them someone in their family does).

Would be fantastic if it turned out that some of them got caught - especially the ones who made up these plans lollleeers if it happens.
 
dod said:
Quick question. How many on here are running pirated software? It's almost certainly available legally in this country now. Bearing that in mind I'm not sure that the "availablility" argument is valid.

Maybe it is just a cost issue?
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Well I run openoffice because it's as good as any ms offering and other than that I pay for what I need, sage line 50 cost my business al ot, as did coreldraw, but both have paid for themselves.

My take on piracy is like this: I would never condone the piracy of music or software including games. Both have repeat usage value which makes £45 for a game and £9 for an album good value imo. The industry for which I have nothing but contempt is the movie industry. £18 for a new release, £20+ for Blueray/HD DVD is extortion for something that I will watch 3 times at best.

Charge what people are willing to pay and people will not steal as much.
 
well tbh as a programming student I dont know how they expect me to shell out 400 on adobe software, 100 on microsoft office, 800 or so on 3d max, 50 quid on frontpage express, 50 on antivirus software and the rest. If I was in full time employment sure I would but not a chance as a student.
 
stevenazari1 said:
well tbh as a programming student I dont know how they expect me to shell out 400 on adobe software, 100 on microsoft office, 800 or so on 3d max, 50 quid on frontpage express, 50 on antivirus software and the rest. If I was in full time employment sure I would but not a chance as a student.
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Avast is free as is openoffice, usually uni's have extended licenses for students to install required software, at least mine did for computational software.
 
SpeedFreak said:
Avast is free as is openoffice, usually uni's have extended licenses for students to install required software, at least mine did for computational software.
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I'll look into that. tried to before - got nowhere, I know my uni has support for free office on my pc but no idea (doubt) on other software like adobe.
 
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