Oh I mean the entire area not just Gaza.
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Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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This is GD where anything goes (other than swearing or personal attacks). It really should be moved to Speakers Corner.
@radderfire Uhm, actually you can. And then, after a few years, if you are dealing with sane individuals, you can buy their cars, drink their beer, make comedy skits about "Don't mention the War", form an economic union with them or a number of other interesting common items.
What I think you are trying to say is that, in this instance, dealing with Hamas/Hezbollah/PIJ etc and possibly even the Palestinians in general may achieve nothing.
In that instance, the options are very limited. If offers for peace settlement have been rejected 5 times you give up and go about your business.
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Clearly what the Israelis need to do here is take a 1km chunk of land from the border of Gaza and turn it into a DMZ. Intruders on this strip of land die.
You are correct... Bombing an urban area where an enemy has firmly entrenched themselves alongside, above and beneath the civilian population whom they choose to use as human shields results in civilian casualties. In this instance, their blood is firmly on the hands of Hamas and not Israel.
@wildman Except in that instance, Russia is the aggressor. Here, Israel is responding to a massive, deplorable terror attack on its sovereign soil.
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It will be long for a number of reasons... The primary ones being they will be trying to limit civilian casualties otherwise they would just reinact Dresden and secondly they will be making certain to destroy the entire underground city of tunnels before leaving.
Hence @Twinz is correct in that you don't understand the difference between the two. Israel's goals are threefold:
1. Destroy Hamas;
2. Destroy the military complex underground and hidden in amongst the civilian infrastructure; and
3. Minimise civilian casualties but not at the expense of Israeli casualties.
@radderfire, Are you a grandchild of Neville Chamberlain perhaps? You could maybe channel his spirit and ask him how his " Jaw, Jaw, Jaw not War, War, War" policy worked out.
@IGBT Wait? Are you seriously suggesting that Hamas are hiding amongst the civilian population and using them as human shields?
I am certain I have been reading that civilian casualties are a direct result of Israeli aggression and their lack of regard for the rules of war.
Do you have a source for this because a number of people are suggesting otherwise?
You think? So they cannot resist Hamas by informing on them to Mossad or or another agency? A phonecall? An email? Dead drop? Carrier pigeon? One of literally a thousand ways.
Civilians probably saw/heard something and kept silent choosing not to oppose.
Even if they are opposed to Hamas and/or the acts they carry out that doesn't mean they would have anything to do with Israel/Mossad who potentially are still/also the enemy to them. They might have concerns for their own safety - phone calls might be intercepted, etc.
What you are suggesting might sound reasonable and logical from the comfort, safety and security of the West but it really doesn't make any sense in the context of somewhere like Palestine whatsoever.
Israeli death toll from hamas attack now at 1200
www.abc.net.au
Live: Death toll reaches 1,900 in conflict as Palestinian envoy accuses Israel of 'genocidal' campaign in Gaza
At least 1,900 have been killed in clashes as a Palestinian UN envoy says Israel's bombardment of the Gaza Strip is "nothing less than genocidal".
www.abc.net.au
Looks like Egypt may open a corridor to let civilians in from Gaza
It's what the White House is pushing for, hopefully Egypt agrees to it
Unfortunately some of Hamas will probably use that to escape into Egypt as well then Egypt will have to deal with the militants
It's what the White House is pushing for, hopefully Egypt agrees to it
Unfortunately some of Hamas will probably use that to escape into Egypt as well then Egypt will have to deal with the militants
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I see yet again UK is acting like Isreal are just victims, and any retaliation is justified.
Labour even worse than the government with Reeve responding we are fully committed to Isreal, and refusing to acknowledge whats going on. She even claimed we would act in same way, yet we didnt when the IRA bombed us.
Social media at least shows there is recognition of the victims of Isreal attacks though.
Labour even worse than the government with Reeve responding we are fully committed to Isreal, and refusing to acknowledge whats going on. She even claimed we would act in same way, yet we didnt when the IRA bombed us.
Social media at least shows there is recognition of the victims of Isreal attacks though.
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I don't get the impression either Israel or Egypt are that gone on the idea.
This is what you are up against.
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Against what exactly then.
Ok.
15 years in the army, serving in the royal artillery as a forward observer for 12 of those years. Then as a trainer at sennybridge for an additional 3.
Served in
* northern Ireland
*Kosovo
*Afghanistan two tours
* Iraq 1tour.
And I can tell you city fighting is a level of hell I would wish no one to repeat
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