Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Yes Hamas has a secret service, cameras and riot police to spy and supress their population. Go to bed mate.

There were unarmed crowds celebrating around desecrated bodies where was the civilized majority to stop them?

Yes and it was despicable to see. But if you believe Hamas don’t have eyes and ears everywhere your are deluded.

Your claim is that 100% of Gaza residents are fully in support of Hamas. That is not backed up by evidence. Even if only 15% are not Hamas, that’s 300,000 people. Would eliminating them in pursuit of destroying Hamas be acceptable? I am hoping Israel keep a rational outlook on this and by all means destroy Hamas but not by indiscriminately targeting civilians.

I have zero sympathy for Hamas and anyone stupid enough to support them or condone their vile acts.
 
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This is getting blanket wall to wall coverage - heard nothing else since Saturday. Even Russia/Ukraine didn't get this much airtime at the beginning and that war is much closer to home and more unusual being in Europe
 
This is getting blanket wall to wall coverage - heard nothing else since Saturday. Even Russia/Ukraine didn't get this much airtime at the beginning and that war is much closer to home and more unusual being in Europe

It's the actual availability of it being reported, loads of reporters are in Israel because it's a hotspot for trouble.
 
This is getting blanket wall to wall coverage - heard nothing else since Saturday. Even Russia/Ukraine didn't get this much airtime at the beginning and that war is much closer to home and more unusual being in Europe
I'm pretty sure it did, and tbh the atrocities took a while to come out there.
 
Yes and it was despicable to see. But if you believe Hamas don’t have eyes and ears everywhere your are deluded.
Then we come to an agreement that there are far more Hamas than the sympathizers want to admit. You're telling me out of the 2m population the only people with stones and a backbone are Hamas and the rest are innocent that won't put an end to abhorrent acts?
Your claim is that 100% of Gaza residents are fully in support of Hamas. That is not backed up by evidence. Even if only 15% are not Hamas, that’s 300,000 people. Would eliminating them in pursuit of destroying Hamas be acceptable? I am hoping Israel keep a rational outlook on this and by all means destroy Hamas but not by indiscriminately targeting civilians.
The burden falls to their Arab allies to open their borders. Israel should not care less at this point.
 
Then we come to an agreement that there are far more Hamas than the sympathizers want to admit. You're telling me out of the 2m population the only people with stones and a backbone are Hamas and the rest are innocent that won't put an end to abhorrent acts?

Eh you need more than stones and a backbone to face up to a group like Hamas - disagree with them and well acts of the last few days speak volumes... you are welcome to go and try reasoning with them though and see how that turns out...
 
Unless its Jezzas mob en masse.

and BBC/Sky News

Already got their little minions in Palestine taking pictures of the Israel destruction, then berating anyone from Israel about their response to it.

We need to be sensitive, do you agree to the destruction of Gaza? You are commiting war crimes against the Palestinian people.

like wtf?!
 
I’m finding the baby thing hard to believe(no way I’m going to look for videos to find out), but if it turns out to be true (confirmed by major news outlets), then theses people deserve absolutely no mercy, only truly sick people could do that to babies.
 
and BBC/Sky News

Already got their little minions in Palestine taking pictures of the Israel destruction, then berating anyone from Israel about their response to it.

We need to be sensitive, do you agree to the destruction of Gaza? You are commiting war crimes against the Palestinian people.

like wtf?!
Is it justified to kill Palestinian civilians?
 
I’m finding the baby thing hard to believe(no way I’m going to look for videos to find out), but if it turns out to be true (confirmed by major news outlets), then theses people deserve absolutely no mercy, only truly sick people could do that to babies.

well from what i have seen of Hamas they are savage like isis and the mexican cartels so nothing they do would shock me
 
and BBC/Sky News

Already got their little minions in Palestine taking pictures of the Israel destruction, then berating anyone from Israel about their response to it.

We need to be sensitive, do you agree to the destruction of Gaza? You are commiting war crimes against the Palestinian people.

like wtf?!
Would you rather they simply not report it?
 
I’m finding the baby thing hard to believe(no way I’m going to look for videos to find out), but if it turns out to be true (confirmed by major news outlets), then theses people deserve absolutely no mercy, only truly sick people could do that to babies.

I can't say whether it is true or not and have no intention of finding out, but I've come across what seem to be verified accounts (along with photo or video evidence - some has been caught on dashcams and CCTV, etc.) of atrocities of a similar nature carried out against families during these attacks.
 
Israel's "Gulfstream G550 Nachshon Oron" which is similar to the prototype Artemis platform the US has been using, flying off Gaza and the West Bank - these things can track a single vehicle like 70 miles away, etc. and map just about anything which moves over a large area. Nominally I'd say large scale ground operations are probably kicking off within hours of a flight like that.

Here is an earlier sighting:


EDIT: Possibly supporting anti-hostage operations but given the timeline and their capabilities I'd imagine this is getting data for larger operations.
 
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The baby beheading story does seem to be being reported by more news outlets now, but sky news say they asked for official confirmation from Israel 3 times and haven't had any.

Seems like the original source of the story may have been this Major General:
He doesn't give any particular numbers though.

I'm not clear exactly what the contention is, but I think essentially the claim is that 40 young children were killed in one settlement alone (among the other, older victims), and at least one of them was beheaded.

On the one hand it feels like there should be some more details by now and more journalists should have been able to see evidence and confirm themselves.... but on the other hand the information has come from somewhere and based on other things which are confirmed doesn't seem so unbelievable that that many were killed in one community and that at least one of the babies might appear to have been beheaded.

So overall seems likely to be essentially true to me, although details might not be quite as reported in some outlets based on the lack of confirmed information.

However, it seems like massive distraction that this is even a controversial issue or not... the evidence is pretty clear that horrendous atrocities were carried out on a wide scale and men, women, and children were all killed. E.g. this report: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67065205
Plus no end of other reports, videos, etc...

And yet it's getting a lot of focus as an unconfirmed story from various pro palestine types like Bastani - https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1711874680947167471?s=20

Seems perverse for the focus to be on numbers of babies killed in a certain settlement (30 or 40? Was it young kids or babies etc), and whether any of them were beheaded or merely executed by firearms at close range. Although at the same time standards of factual accuracy are incredibly important especially at times like this, so hope the outlets which are reporting the events have reasonable evidence / good reason to trust reports.
 
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Nice straw man, but par for the course from you. Punishment can mean many things and in fact in a previous post I said I hope Israel wipes Hamas out. Yet all you see in your blind biased posts is what you want to see. You twist my words and narrative to sanction and approve the indiscriminate bombing of civilians.
But it isn't indiscriminate...in most instances pinpoint. You are perhaps not happy with the choice in target which happens to include many civilian buildings with dual purpose being used by Hamas to house weapons, factories, tunnels or C3 infrastructure.

Don't blame the postman for delivering the bad news. He was given a package with an address.
 
Here's a recent Public Opinion Poll for Palestine on what they actually think

Only 28% support the two-state solution
53% support a return to an armed intifada, 47% support waging peaceful resistance, and 26% support a one-state solution
52% believe that armed action is the best way to end occupation

Well, we have certainly seen "armed action" in the past few days.
 
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