Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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2006 was a long time ago - where has been the active resistance from these Palestnians who don't want Hamas rule? Why did they fall on the sword like Hitler's Reich if a signifcant proportion didn't support them? It would take one call to Israel for the opposition to open talks to take them out so they could take over and go through peace talks - espsically when Israel's inteligence was much stronger.
Yes, 2006 was a long time ago. Were free and fair and non-coercive elections held tomorrow, how would Palestinians vote?

But I'm not sure how you'd achieve that. Sham elections mean nothing, otherwise Crimea voting to join Russia is legit.

An exit poll conducted by Near East Consulting on 15 February 2006 on voters participating in the 2006 PA elections revealed the following responses to major concerns:

Support for a Peace Agreement with Israel: 79.5% in support; 15.5% in oppositionShould Hamas change its policies regarding Israel: Yes – 75.2%; No – 24.8%Under Hamas corruption will decrease: Yes – 78.1%; No – 21.9%Under Hamas internal security will improve: Yes – 67.8%; No – 32.2%Hamas government priorities: 1) Combatting corruption; 2) Ending security chaos; 3) Solving poverty/unemploymentSupport for Hamas' impact on the national interest: Positive – 66.7&; Negative - 28.5%Support for a national unity government?: Yes – 81.4%; no – 18.6%Rejection of Fatah's decision not to join a national unity government: Yes – 72.5%; No – 27.5%Satisfaction with election results: 64.2% satisfied; 35.8% dissatisfied[36]
World Public Opinion summarised the election voting drivers as follows:

The decisive victory of the militant Islamic group Hamas in last month's Palestinian legislative elections (winning 74 of 132 parliamentary seats) has raised the question of whether the Palestinian public has become aligned with Hamas' rejection of Israel's right to exist and its stated goal of creating an Islamic state covering all of historic Palestine, including what is now Israel. Hamas has come under increasing pressure to renounce its goal of eliminating Israel, but Hamas leaders have refused.
However, new polling following the election indicated that two-thirds of Palestinians believed Hamas should change its policy of rejecting Israel's right to exist. Most also supported a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Post-election polls indicated that Hamas' victory was due largely to Palestinians' desire to end corruption in government rather than support for the organization's political platform.[37]
(Via wiki) There's so many reasons to question whether Hamas and Palestinians are actually of a single mind.

Heck, nobody would even claim that Britain and the Tories are of a single mind. Or that everything the Tories do is done in our name with our blessing.

Or that people always vote for what's in front of them (i.e. Brexit is considered as something of a protest vote).
 
Yet you offer zero proof on how a 'siginifcant proportion' didn't support them. Do you plan on offering any or just go round in circles? No government stays in power for 17 years without the support of the people - that's a ridiculous notion.
Russia says hi. As well as numerous other regimes that are sham democracies and outright dictatorships. Really, that's a terrible argument.
 
Yet you offer zero proof on how a 'siginifcant proportion' didn't support them. Do you plan on offering any or just go round in circles? No government stays in power for 17 years without the support of the people - that's a ridiculous notion.

I gave you proof. Do you need to see a link of the 2006 election results? Or the 2021 survey that showed Hamas did not have 100% backing. The irony is it was you who made the claim Hamas and Palestinian was the same thing.

Where is your proof? Evidence please… or was it just some random ramblings on the internet?

Please don’t try to argue that a government doesn’t stay in power without the backing of its people. Or do you think all those election in Russia are legit? It’s funny how armed fundamentalists stay in power isn’t it.
 
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Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas, there is no separating them.


Thats like saying the whole of Scotalnd is SNP so by that logic they should be granted independence immediately because thats what Scotland are as they have SNP as their current governing party. That doesn't make any sense. Those pesky scots voted them in man.................... there is no sepparting them..............
 
Russia says hi. As well as numerous other regimes that are sham democracies and outright dictatorships. Really, that's a terrible argument.
Russia says nothing. They love Putin and it's well documented.

Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas who want Israel wiped off the earth.
 
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Hopefully the Fatah supporters will have little flags to wave when the IDF arrive.
That's incredibly crass.

Look, nobody here is cheering the deaths of the Israelis. Being so gleeful about the impending loss of life in Gaza is not a good look.
 
Hezbollah has released Footage that is claimed to be from today and shows the Destruction of an Israeli M113 APC on the Border with Lebanon by an Anti-Tank Guided Missile; the Status of the Crew is currently Unknown, but the IDF had Responded to this by using an AH-64 “Apache” Attack Helicopter to Destroy a Hezbollah Observation

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Russia says hi. As well as numerous other regimes that are sham democracies and outright dictatorships. Really, that's a terrible argument.

A different beast entirely - Russia's not exactly politically stable but there is some notion of impartial polling that supports or is at least apathetic to the regime, one which has brought a lot more prosperity for the average Russian. Hamas hasn't brought any of that - they've brought further war, bloodshed & poverty to the average Palestnian.
I gave you proof. Do you need to see a link of the 2006 election results? Or the 2021 survey that showed Hamas did not have 100% backing. The irony is it was you who made the claim Hamas and Palestinian was the same thing.

Where is your proof? Evidence please… or was it just some random ramblings on the internet?

Please don’t try to argue that a government doesn’t stay in power without the backing of its people. Or do you think all those election in Russia are legit? It’s funny how armed fundamentalists stay in power isn’t it.

If you want to call foul on the elections thats fine but again - there has been no indication of any if at all resistance to their regime - despite the continued dark path Hamas has lead them down and a point you keep ignoring. Hamas would be gone overnight and there would be no hesitation - it's not like Russia where if you got rid of Putin and a nutcase with his hands over the nuclear button. There would be no consequences and only benefits. Fatah is only interested in having a slice of the pie
 
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He knows full well what that’s for. If other countries kick off it’s a big deterrent. What else does he want? Israel to just nuke an invading country. It’s about containing this war and not letting it blow up into something bigger.

It's OK he's getting another one just like it as well. Two carrier groups in the eastern med.
 
Russia says nothing. They love Putin and it's well documented.

Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas who want Israel wiped off the earth.
Sure, that's why 99.999% of them keep voting for him in every election :D

And Aleksandr Lukashenko keeps being elected for the same reason. He just gives the people what they want! Yup, everybody is perfectly represented by their government.

We all voted for the Tories and every one of us was 100% behind the Iraq War, and every other decision our governments ever made.
 
It's OK he's getting another one just like it as well. Two carrier groups in the eastern med.
He’s probably getting annoyed at the Americans doing their job for them. The US shot down a Turkish drone flying over a US base in Syria recently.
 
Sure, that's why 99.999% of them keep voting for him in every election :D

And Aleksandr Lukashenko keeps being elected for the same reason. He just gives the people what they want! Yup, everybody is perfectly represented by their government.

We all voted for the Tories and every one of us was 100% behind the Iraq War, and every other decision our governments ever made.

Err not quite, but we do have a recourse every four or five years to vote in another lot of wishful thinkers. Our governments do not invade our neighbours much as we might inwardly want to.
 
A different beast entirely - Russia's not exactly politically stable but there is some notion of impartial polling that supports or is at least apathetic to the regime, one which has brought a lot more prosperity for the average Russian. Hamas hasn't brought any of that - they've brought further war, bloodshed & poverty to the average Palestnian.


If you want to call foul on the elections thats fine but again - there has been no indication of any if at all resistance to their regime - despite the continued dark path Hamas has lead them down and a point you keep ignoring. Hamas would be gone overnight and there would be no hesitation - it's not like Russia where if you got rid of Putin and a nutcase with his hands over the nuclear button. There would be no consequences and only benefits. Fatah is only interested in having a slice of the pie

You just keep digging that hole.
 
Yes Hamas has a secret service, cameras and riot police to spy and supress their population. Go to bed mate.

There were unarmed crowds celebrating around desecrated bodies where was the civilized majority to stop them?

You couldn't be more wrong. Hamas do have a "secret" police, part of the ISF IIRC. They absolutely do spy on and suppress their population.
 
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Russia says nothing. They love Putin and it's well documented.

Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas who want Israel wiped off the earth.
I want to add to my reply because this is so incredibly misguided it's untrue.

The Russkies all love Putin so much, that he feels it necessary to kill and imprison all his political rivals. To arrest and imprison demonstrators. To outlaw free speech and make criticism of his regime illegal.

Ye gads, if you believe all Russians are for Putin, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...
 
I want to add to my reply because this is so incredibly misguided it's untrue.

The Russkies all love Putin so much, that he feels it necessary to kill and imprison all his political rivals. To arrest and imprison demonstrators. To outlaw free speech and make criticism of his regime illegal.

Ye gads, if you believe all Russians are for Putin, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...
That's a tiny minority which can be easily controlled. If one million Russians decided to march on the streets of Moscow there is nothing anyone could do about it.

Far more oppressive regimes have fallen through out history.
 
Yes Hamas has a secret service, cameras and riot police to spy and supress their population. Go to bed mate.

There were unarmed crowds celebrating around desecrated bodies where was the civilized majority to stop them?
Where in my post do you see me saying that those attacks weren’t wrong?

The difference is I’m jot conflating Hamas representing the whole of Palestine like you.

Screw Hamas, destroy them that’s the right thing to do it has been for a long time.

But you guys In here are willingly being disingenuous with comments like “Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas”.

Maybe you need to go to bed or go outside.
 
That's a tiny minority which can be easily controlled. If one million Russians decided to march on the streets of Moscow there is nothing anyone could do about it.

Far more oppressive regimes have fallen through out history.

That is the thing, if, rarely is a population organised like that, it only takes them individually to be afraid, or have too much to lose, to cripple them collectively in most cases. Hence why the likes of North Korea the regime can maintain their grip for so long.
 
You couldn't be more wrong. Hamas do have a "secret" police, part of the ISF IIRC. They absolutely do spy on and suppress their population.
There’s guys are being disingenuous it’s crazy, we all absolutely despise this attack and Hamas and want them to be dismantled in every way possible.

But if we say maybe the 2 million or so Gaza people should be considered when doing so, somehow we support Hamas? I’ve seen that said now more than once.

On top of that apparently Gaza and Hamas are a shining example of democracy with free and fair elections.

Some of these guys post in the Ukraine thread and they 100% understand how elections in Crimea and occupied areas in Ukraine are not fair and legit, but they turn their brains off with this whole conflict in Israel.

It’s so bizarre, it’s not that they don’t understand because they clearly show they do in other posts about conflicts elsewhere.
 
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