Point 3 above is what I am saying should be key to Israel’s strategy. Some on this thread and more importantly key Israeli personnel were declaring they would leave no building standing. So I was not talking about what they are doing now, but what some wanted them to do purely as revenge. Some were also justifying it (on this thread) with utter nonsense about all Palestinians being Hamas and thus legitimate targets.
Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Point 3 above is what I am saying should be key to Israel’s strategy. Some on this thread and more importantly key Israeli personnel were declaring they would leave no building standing. So I was not talking about what they are doing now, but what some wanted them to do purely as revenge. Some were also justifying it (on this thread) with utter nonsense about all Palestinians being Hamas and thus legitimate targets.
This is the point at which it's appropriate to say they cannot be allowed to live near civilised people.
With all due respect, I don’t really understand how the goal of removing Hamas completely, is possible with air and artillery alone.
Gaza is going to need to be cleaned out, street to street, the whole area needs to be totally wiped clean, then Israel take it for themselves*
I just don’t see how any final or lasting goal can be achieved, without the complete takeover of Gaza and for me that would require 300-400k troops on the ground.
*Whether Israel should take over Gaza or not, from the perspective of “right or wrong” is beyond me, and I think that the whole situation has now transcended any notion of right or wrong, it just needs to be done.
Weird video tbh. What identifies that man as Hamas and not an emotional Palestinian civilian?
I think this is what they will do. They know they will most likely lose potentially hundreds/thousands of soldiers, and the same will happen to the other side.
Neighbouring countries have to want to let them in though. Apparently the US want Eqypt to open a humanitarian corridor, not sure they will be too keen on the idea, unless it was just for women and children maybe.
Nothing, that's the problem the IDF face, as usual the extremist elements don't identify for the most part.
Civilians are martyrs for thier cause, so they don't care who dies as long as they serve a purpose in death.
I think Egypt and some of the other Arab countries will need to take the Gazan refugees and I think they probably will at some point, once Israel “gets going”
And I think it’s not only possible that Israel can consume Gaza - I think it has to happen now.
And I think Israel needs to strike whilst the iron is hot, the US currently has their back and will do for a while, they have a fair reason to do it, and it would be a lasting solution to a very big problem.
I say this as no supporter of Israel whatsoever, but more from a perspective of realism and practicality, there is no hope for Gaza, whatsoever.
So the only solution is ethnic cleansing?
War has changed a lot since I was in.
But with the access to drones and 24/7 recon capabilities. It's a game of wackamole.
Identify potential launch sites. There's a limited number of tunnel exits and a number would be unusable due damage from previous strikes.
Look out for guys carrying 10-20ft missiles and their steel carriers. Have are battery of light artillery or a dedicated aircraft on standby. On detection of launch or set up drop hell on them.
Kill enough leaders and the followers will take over and do something stupid, it's what we did in Basrah and the militants tried to do the ride of the rhorim in pickups against bunkered down challenger 2s and warriors. Across a killing zone
I expect once the known hamas locations are targeted they will change tactics. I suspect they have already hacked the mobile phone towers and ase energy becomes tighter only hamas will be allowed to use things like phones.
I think they'll won't take the city but create a DMZ around it filled with deep trenches to prevent tunnels and land mines.
Let's start with Israel not Isreal. It hurts my eyes. Comparison with the IRA is not valid as most events were aimed at killing the security services not the general public although there were exceptions Enniskillen etc. Most were pre warned by coded message. None were by suicide .
Don't get me wrong, the IRA were awful, murdering ***** as we're the UDA and the other paramilitary organisations on all sides. They weren't touched by god though nominally religious mainly political.
HAMAS are, llke ISIS they believe that if you are not the same religion you can be burnt, thrown of buildings, shot beheaded etc. There is no choice in the matter.
So HAMAS must be destroyed like ISIS or hugely depleted. An objective is the minimalisation of civilian casualties but there will be quite a few. It is that type of warfare. One day when we don't allow religion to burn our minds we may be able to stop doing this.
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Gaza has to be up there with the worst urban environments for combat - high density of buildings and civilians, many high-rise buildings, lots of intersections, an opponent who has had plenty of time to dig in and has probably mined many streets, an opponent who'll use almost any tactics - suicide bombers are especially lethal in those kind of enclosed environments. Also an opponent used to fighting as small semi-autonomous cells/groups so not as easily defeated by taking out leadership as could be the case.
But even with saturation shelling it'll take a lot of time to starve them out.
But even with saturation shelling it'll take a lot of time to starve them out.
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Israels mobilised 360000 soldiers, I doubt they will just sit at the border tbh...
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Do you really think they will try to limit civilian casualties? They don't have much of a record for doing that.
Also, I wonder if they will ever leave. They might just throw the remaining Palestinians out.
Basically, harshly, unfairly - it probably is the only solution.
There’s no solution in principle, that’s possible, that makes sense where Gaza continues to exist.
The US should help with the humanitarian effort, they have the resources to help mediate and facilitate it, in terms of redistributing the Gazans to other Arab countries.
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I think it's very possible. They have done that sort of thing before.
Basically gifting Hamas or any other group with a distinct displeasure for Jewish people what it wants on a silver platter if this is the outcome. Any sympathy I have for Israel would evaporate permanently.
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N.Korea says hi... Unless you count fear of death unless voting a certain way as "support of the people"?
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