Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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diamount said:
Yet you offer zero proof on how a 'siginifcant proportion' didn't support them. Do you plan on offering any or just go round in circles? No government stays in power for 17 years without the support of the people - that's a ridiculous notion. Surely such people existed in some capacity to report the nature of the training exercises being conducted? Surely they knew an attack like that, if succesful would effectively be the end of the place they call home? Why hasn't there been any more attempts by Fatah to seize power by force, again if they were more open to neogitations than Hamas ever was than Israel would gladly support them.
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You don't seem to get the concept of brutal dictators not being actually democratic.
 
Uther said:
Reports that Eqypt warned them, but even then I doubt they would have expected an attack of this scale.
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I think il wait for the 5 part documentary in afew years on any failings or warnings. Just glad we can stay out of this particular mid east conflict as isreal with the states is very capable
 
I'm not sure they will go in to Gaza. I reckon it would be hell in there trying to fight.
But also if they do I'm surprised they haven't already. You would think they would have a complete plan drawn up of what they would do in this situation. The longer they wait the more hamas will be digging in setting traps etc.
 
Abraxaz1 said:
Not enough in my opinion especially as it's split between Gaza, west bank and borders.
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I'll be honest,

I'm not sure whether 300-400k is enough either, or whether Israel is capable of getting the job done.

It's capable of pulverising things with jets, bombs and artillery - but that's not a solution here imo.

I think with Gaza - using full blown siege tactics might make sense?

If the civilians get mostly evacuated and there's a full blown blockade - Hamas won't be able to exist forever without food, water or supplies, they'll eventually burn through what they have. It's not like they have farmland or ways to sustain themselves in that environment.
 
Screeeech said:
I'll be honest,

I'm not sure whether 300-400k is enough either, or whether Israel is capable of getting the job done.

It's capable of pulverising things with jets, bombs and artillery - but that's not a solution here imo.

I think with Gaza - using full blown siege tactics might make sense?

If the civilians get mostly evacuated and there's a full blown blockade - Hamas won't be able to exist forever without food, water or supplies, they'll eventually burn through what they have. It's not like they have farmland or ways to sustain themselves in that environment.
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There are farms in Gaza.
 
Noughtboy said:
Don't blame the postman for delivering the bad news. He was given a package with an address.
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Huh? Give your head a wobble... no one is blaming the individual soldiers doing the strikes, its quite obvious, people are saying they want the Israeli armed forces as a whole to try and minimise civilian casualties... Your statement above is just argumentative at best.
 
Screeeech said:
If the civilians get mostly evacuated and there's a full blown blockade - Hamas won't be able to exist forever without food, water or supplies, they'll eventually burn through what they have. It's not like they have farmland or ways to sustain themselves in that environment.
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The Gaza strip is 140 square kilometers. Whilst it's massively over populated in areas, it's very much got farms.
 
Nitefly said:
lol where did that come from?
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Well if they are going to be forced out of Gaza possibly via Egypt then they have to go somewhere no?

ICDP said:
Neither would I but I accept the rules of the International Refugee Convention.

By default the vast majority would end up in Egypt and surrounding countries other than Israel. So his/her/their point is moot.
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a1ex2001 said:
We don’t get to make that choice it’s not how international law works.

Anyone fleeing Gaza would easily meet the criteria for a refugee seeking asylum, if we actually processed applications they would be the quickest and easiest you might as well just stamp them approved at the point of entry.
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Laws are man made and can be changed. They are no longer fit for purpose having been written 60 years ago. There is no logic in someone moving from Gaza to Europe.

We are witnessing society being fractured which will lead again to a far far right party getting in charge. Society has been there before and I'd rather history didn't repeat itself to be honest.
 
Orangeade said:
Well if they are going to be forced out of Gaza possibly via Egypt then they have to go somewhere no?





Laws are man made and can be changed. They are no longer fit for purpose having been written 60 years ago. There is no logic in someone moving from Gaza to Europe.

We are witnessing society being fractured which will lead again to a far far right party getting in charge. Society has been there before and I'd rather history didn't repeat itself to be honest.
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Cruela is that you? Give it a rest and go back to the immigration thread.
 
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Orangeade said:
Well if they are going to be forced out of Gaza possibly via Egypt then they have to go somewhere no?





Laws are man made and can be changed. They are no longer fit for purpose having been written 60 years ago. There is no logic in someone moving from Gaza to Europe.

We are witnessing society being fractured which will lead again to a far far right party getting in charge. Society has been there before and I'd rather history didn't repeat itself to be honest.
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Society is being fractured by refugee’s amazing insight you should run for office or something ….. please don’t!
 
Hagar said:
There are farms in Gaza.
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Israel is unlikely to go for a long-term siege. It's just too damaging in the court of public opinion.

I'm guessing they'll want to clear as much land of non-combatants as possible, to give themselves a free hand for a short, crushing offensive

This does raise the very urgent question about what Israel does with all of those people in the longer-term. If hundreds of thousands of people are forced out of Gaza, where do they go? There is no easy answer to this.
 
potatolord said:
Israel is unlikely to go for a long-term siege. It's just too damaging in the court of public opinion.

I'm guessing they'll want to clear as much land of non-combatants as possible, to give themselves a free hand for a short, crushing offensive

This does raise the very urgent question about what Israel does with all of those people in the longer-term. If hundreds of thousands of people are forced out of Gaza, where do they go? There is no easy answer to this.
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Assess the moderates, temporary house them in Israel / west bank, build permanent communities and provide land, opportunities and ensure universal citizenship. Demolish Gaza, rebuild and integrate. Engage and empower the PA to actually work for its people and promote integration. If the Arab states want to positively contribute / assist / take on-board any refugees created; Great.

Now time for my morning coffee, as I clearly need to wake up!
 
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