conversation for a different thread but you're so wrong in what you're saying it's not a conversation you should be part of.
Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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I would imagine a lot of those hostages are already dead. No way Israel won't hit a valid target because they think there might be hostages there as human shields.
We actually got peace though, all this massacring only leads to ruin and suffering; just look at the state of Israel/Palestine. I am surprised you think this is something we should emulate.
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Well that has happened much quicker than I expected. His administration has absolutely dropped the ball here and the public backlash will be bad but I thought it would be weeks away.
Because it was that very same IRA leadership who you wanted assassinated that were finally convinced the terror campaign was not working. Had you decided to go full on Israel it would have prolonged the war instead of ended it. Look at internment, that little mess caused a massive spike in IRA recruitment. How do you think a full on military campaign would have went down?
Apologies if this seems off topic but the cycle of violence has to stop somewhere and while I agree Hamas needs to be eliminated, my hope is this allows a less radicalised Gaza to emerge. My guess is it will just be worse and they cycle of an eye for an eye will continue.
Yet the UK government are giving his very right wing government unconditional support. Will only embolden him
True but the support is also about ensuring other countries or groups don't join in.
I'm not sure I believe the babies story until I see some verification.
From what I can see the story as come from an Israeli news channel i24 News. But the army unit they were reporting on saying they didn't see that. But the pro-Israel media lobby are all taking it as factual.
I think until we can see some evidence, or it's verified by a neutral party then we can't just assume something is true.
The story reminds me of the Iraq story about Iraqi soldiers taking viagra and carrying out disgusting acts. All lies.
The 9/11 comparison is also worrying as the US appeared to use it as an excuse to attack Iraq. Are we seeing this event used as a reason to attack Iran? If so it'll start a world war.
From what I can see the story as come from an Israeli news channel i24 News. But the army unit they were reporting on saying they didn't see that. But the pro-Israel media lobby are all taking it as factual.
I think until we can see some evidence, or it's verified by a neutral party then we can't just assume something is true.
The story reminds me of the Iraq story about Iraqi soldiers taking viagra and carrying out disgusting acts. All lies.
The 9/11 comparison is also worrying as the US appeared to use it as an excuse to attack Iraq. Are we seeing this event used as a reason to attack Iran? If so it'll start a world war.
If only that were true. Like cancer, they keep coming back.
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What difference does it really make? In the context of the other atrocities that there is clear evidence for, it's not like it's some red line that shouldn't be crossed.
If it was a standalone claim i'd agree more, but I think the testimony/reports, combined with the proven atrocities committed, is sufficient evident to say it's true.
I hope any pictures aren't released, as that IS one step too undignified.
Don't see why it would be hard to believe, the only element of the story I won't believe without some serious corroboration is the beheading kids stuff (not that it makes killing them any less barbaric).
Same with the 'collateral' deaths of kids in Gaza though I'm sure Israel is at least trying to avoid it.
Israel will be trying to avoid that, but Hamas use them as human shields.
What Israel doesn't do is run through streets gunning down civilians, including kids, raping women, etc. Every time Islamic whatevers are involved in a conflict, that is what they do.
The IDF is probably going to capture Gaza now. It's been a long time coming TBH, it is a terrorist state despite what some claim.
What Israel doesn't do is run through streets gunning down civilians, including kids, raping women, etc. Every time Islamic whatevers are involved in a conflict, that is what they do.
The IDF is probably going to capture Gaza now. It's been a long time coming TBH, it is a terrorist state despite what some claim.
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Beheading or not, that hardly takes away from the atrocity of killing babies.No, but they systematically break people over many decades of occupation and oppression. Taking their land, their rights, their dignity, their freedom.
It's perhaps a lot harder for people to sit up, take notice of, and condemn, than Hamas's sudden and ultra-violent rampage (which we all condemn).
The 24-hour news doesn't cover it often. But it's been happening for decades, and it's what has caused this insane hatred. The violence feeds into the cycle of hatred, and culminates with various atrocities. All of which we condemn.
But don't lose sight of the continuous and ever-present oppression of the Palestinians by Israel.
Sure, you can understand and empathise with the hatred,bitterness etc on both sides.
What you can't excuse is the slaughter of civilians.
And the active targeting of civilians with that very goal.
This can never be excused, no matter the circumstances.
What you can't excuse is the slaughter of civilians.
And the active targeting of civilians with that very goal.
This can never be excused, no matter the circumstances.
Many of the prescriptions in this thread for Isreal to effectively walk on egshells come from the same kind of "comfort, safety, and security".
The atrocities against Isreal we witnessed this weekend are only a small sample of the threat Israel lives under. They are surrounded by neighbors that want to destroy them the moment Israel shows enough weakness.
What we saw this weekend from a group of terrorists that are anxious to meet their maker and think they will be rewarded for killing as many Jews as possible in the process, is nothing compared to what Israel will have to fight if the rest of their neighbors ever believe Israel can actually lose.
This whole thing is horrific. Its depressing how few people it takes to cause such misery for so many. This is a story that is played out in every country around the world but at least most people aren't being killed as a result. As with all conflicts, you quickly get to a point where the original issue doesn't matter. Too much damage has been done as a result and each generation doesn't even need to know why they hated each other in the first place because they have enough fuel from the tit for tat.
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