Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Junglist said:
There will always be something, sadly. I have a negative opinion of people who like pineapple on Pizza. It's what we as humans do. Would only take someone more charismatic than myself and someone who is able to get the ear of the masses and before you know it we'll be rounding up people who like Hawaiian pizzas in the streets.

I, probably in a minority, don't even think it's completely fair to blame religion. Practically all religious people I've met have been some of the loveliest human beings I've met and have values I respect. Doesn't matter if they follow Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, Sikh or any other fringe religion I've never actually met an out-and-out arse who follows religion in the wild.

The issue is and will always be extremism. It's like tarring all travelling English football fans as hooligans because there is a small and very loud minority. 99.9% of the football fans just want to support their team and watch sport. It's that 0.01% royally screwing it up.
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Religion is just the tool the controllers use. "in the name of religion". But I do wonder if there would be less control of people didn't believe in after lives. After all, if you do X and get a life of paradise, and you truly believe it, it's a powerful tool.

Obviously there'd still be wars, but IMO, there'd be less.
 
413x said:
Religion is just the tool the controllers use. "in the name of religion". But I do wonder if there would be less control of people didn't believe in after lives. After all, if you do X and get a life of paradise, and you truly believe it, it's a powerful tool.

Obviously there'd still be wars, but IMO, there'd be less.
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Yup, the religion gets abused but that isn't the religions fault but more the fault of the individual who uses it as a tool to manipulate people.

They groom people. Just instead of being nonces they're grooming people into becoming weapons.
 
dl8860 said:
Quick thought experiment, try "Israel have brought this all on themselves. They are the ones that are responsible for the deaths in Israel."

quippy statements like that fall down quickly when you apply some context.
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No context in your words though..
 
It is a sad possibility that because the UK government as been playing fast and loose with the immigration/asylum system we have thousands of people in hotels unvetted that are possible terrorists.

I suspect it's a similar story across other european countries.

I would be surprised if we don't get an increase in terror attacks. But happy if we didn't.

I fear for the Jewish people in our country for their safety.

It is disappointing that there isn't a strong Christian voice that could offer help and mediation.
 
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Noughtboy said:
@Nitefly How is the comment weird? He was highlighting that as a percentage of population, the death toll of 1200 (what I last saw) of an Israeli population of 9.21m is 0.013% or a factor >12 times the USA death toll from 9/11 (2977/285,500,000 = 0.00105%). The equivalent of the USA losing >37000 people in a terror attack. Or the UK losing ~ 9,000 or Germany >10,800. And that is deaths not including the casualties.
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Why does the proportion of casualties matter in this sense matter (at all)? At this scale nothing matters more than ‘X people died’. If we’re trying to indicate there is some sort of mass cultural genocide then there might be a point, but the deaths in both instances were not of the magnitude where this is relevant.

Obviously, the deaths are terrible at any scale, but trying to infer that something is ‘worse’ because of proportions, in respect of this scale of death, even when there have been less deaths… yeah, I just find it weird. It adds absolutely nothing.

I get it’s an emotive topic and generally I don’t expect people to conduct themselves perfectly under some stress. Nevertheless… odd, IMO.
 
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413x said:
I'd say cutting power, water etc all goes under indiscriminate.
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I'd say you are moving the goal posts.

You said "indiscriminate targeting" and then asked:

"If there was a tunnel under your house I doubt you'd want to be hit by a weapons strike."
 
Abraxaz1 said:
Not enough in my opinion especially as it's split between Gaza, west bank and borders.

It's a show of force, basically look at us we can get this many troops as a reaction, don't try anything.

Taking Gaza would be worse than taking Basra or Baghdad due to its warrenhole like construction. Plus the peacekeeping after would make Afghanistan, Iraq an northern Ireland feel like a day in the park.
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@Abraxaz1 That is just a large portion of the reservists. They could top it up if necessary by 80k - 100k. The standing army would add another 170k/180k to the equation
 
Idi Amin kept all the hostages together at Entebbe airport. Therefore Israeli special forces flew in and rescued the lot (bar three killed).

I doubt if Hamas have been so accommodating.
 
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Minusorange said:
The world has been so crazy and upside down the last few years I honestly would not be surprised if Hezbollah somehow sank that US Carrier that just arrived
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Check out the size of the Gerald R Ford and the accompanying strike group, you can also bet there will be a sub or two hanging around.

On a more hopeful note, with the advent of the Internet and instant communications I can see the masses being red pilled into not wanting conflict once they realise the true nature of it. We're only a few years into the technology, those growing up with it will have a very different view of the world and hopefully be less inclined to want to rush to fight one another.
 
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