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Nobody deserves to die...but, hamas have brought this all on themselves. They are the ones that are responsible for the deaths in Gaza...
 
EddScott said:
Isn't he saying it's an issue having military installations within civilian areas? And they are trying to correct it? Presumeably in an overpopulated area with little free space.

That's similar to the Ukraine thread where a tweet (or whatever) suggested a Russian recruitment advert was saying they are marching on to Berlin - when, in fact, the lad is repeating what his grandfather said in WW2.

So easily to manipulate the news - particuarly on X. Should be banned imo.
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While saying they were working to change it. He was admitting to doing what they were accused of the whole time.

.-Hiding behind innocent people.

Do beleive they followed through? Do you find Hamas trustworthy in such matters?

I personally think Hamas has more to gain from hiding behind human shields than Israel has to gain from wasting munitions on random buildings..."indiscriminately".
 
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Both sides there a lot of deaths and has been for years if keep killing innocents as someone said it will just breed the next man to be brainwashed by Hamas.

Also check this twitter page to see bombings and pulling kids from rubble.

I agree that Hamas need to be removed but is bombing the best way.
 
Orangeade said:
I would presume by levelling a large swathe that they are probably making corridors where troops and hardware can deploy without immediate hand to hand/ambush seeing as the place is densely built up.

Not to mention probably getting occasionally lucky and dropping building on tunnels. Oh and displacing the population who eventually will scamper to safer UN zones allowing them to invade?

Oh and in the event they are reined in that they will have set the place back 30 years. Good old fashioned revenge?

Source; none just me thinking out loud.
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Noughtboy said:
Absolutely this is the case. The entrances or exits are below buildings...schools, hospitals, residential towers etc.

Right now, Israel does not know where they all are...bear in mind, Gaza is like an iceberg...you can only see what is above the water line - there is an entire network of tunnels under the city.

The buildings are now being bombed to achieve three things:
1) Destroy any factories/weapon caches/CCC housed within them;
2) Limit the entrance and exits from these tunnels; and finally
3) Clear a pathway for the tanks to enter and to limit places they can be fired upon.

Once the ground operation starts, the first priority will be search for tunnel openings. They find one, they start a huge blaze to trace the smoke and find additional entrances/exits using drones or human assets. Then clear these outs. Continue ad infinitum until all the rats have been smoked out. Then destroy the tunnels with a large amount of explosives which is likely to collapse any building above them as the ground has been already weakened.

At this stage, I would imagine the thinking is the hostages are (as good as) dead and the operation will be conducted with that in mind. Neutralising Hamas is the top priority...not certain collecting combatants to swop for hostages is high on the agenda. Recovering Israeli hostages is a bonus
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@Orangeade that is the basic doctrine so you are not too far off with your thinking out loud
 
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Minusorange said:
People are just stupid, they think everything is either/or if you don't support Israel then you absolutely have to support Palestine because it's the opposite and vice versa, if you don't like Palestine you have to give Israel 100% support, when you could just choose not to support either because neither are likeable options due how their respective military arms treat civilians
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Picking between two bad choices, really. Neither party has their hands clean. I truly feel for the people of Palestine and believe they have the right to stop Israel occupying their land and oppressing them but Jesus Christ they somehow need to distance themselves from the lunatics at Hamas. I don't know how they would do such a thing but it's really hard to sympathise with what's going on when you hear the abhorrent stories.

Worst part is that regular Israelites and Palestinians are just regular people, like us here, trying to get by in this wild journey of life. As always the powerless innocent citizens are the ones who pay for the ones making decisions effecting everyone else's safety apart from their own.
 
Junglist said:
Picking between two bad choices, really. Neither party has their hands clean. I truly feel for the people of Palestine and believe they have the right to stop Israel occupying their land and oppressing them but Jesus Christ they somehow need to distance themselves from the lunatics at Hamas. I don't know how they would do such a thing but it's really hard to sympathise with what's going on when you hear the abhorrent stories.

Worst part is that regular Israelites and Palestinians are just regular people, like us here, trying to get by in this wild journey of life. As always the powerless innocent citizens are the ones who pay for the ones making decisions effecting everyone else's safety apart from their own.
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It really is just all the innocents you have to feel for on both sides. Just grim really.



I wonder what that part of the world would be like if could just "delete" religion from people's minds.

Would they still be at each others throats or would all this be moot? Just a random thought experiment.
 
NZXT30 said:
No it doesn't otherwise we would still be fighting the Germans and the Japanese.

You just need to beat them into a state that they'll not even think to pull the same kind of crap for a couple generations at least.
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That's a very flawed analogy. Germany and Japan started their wars for very different reasons, with ambitious aims and expectation of a good outcome. Meanwhile the Palestinians have proven many times that they are happy to continue fighting despite knowing they are starting a losing battle each time. In large part due to experiencing oppression and the desperation that comes with that.
 
ltron said:
don't know, the Japanese were massive Nazis (in terms of viewing themselves as the superior race) and I think this was their main motivation.
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koolpc said:
Nobody deserves to die...but, hamas have brought this all on themselves. They are the ones that are responsible for the deaths in Gaza...
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Quick thought experiment, try "Israel have brought this all on themselves. They are the ones that are responsible for the deaths in Israel."

quippy statements like that fall down quickly when you apply some context.
 
413x said:
It really is just all the innocents you have to feel for on both sides. Just grim really.



I wonder what that part of the world would be like if could just "delete" religion from people's minds.

Would they still be at each others throats or would all this be moot? Just a random thought experiment.
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There will always be something, sadly. I have a negative opinion of people who like pineapple on Pizza. It's what we as humans do. Would only take someone more charismatic than myself and someone who is able to get the ear of the masses and before you know it we'll be rounding up people who like Hawaiian pizzas in the streets.

I, probably in a minority, don't even think it's completely fair to blame religion. Practically all religious people I've met have been some of the loveliest human beings I've met and have values I respect. Doesn't matter if they follow Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, Sikh or any other fringe religion I've never actually met an out-and-out arse who follows religion in the wild.

The issue is and will always be extremism. It's like tarring all travelling English football fans as hooligans because there is a small and very loud minority. 99.9% of the football fans just want to support their team and watch sport. It's that 0.01% royally screwing it up.
 
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