Jerusalem was always set aside as a special "state"... A North/South split with Jerusalem around that split and still set as a special "state"?
It just seems the original split is asking for trouble.
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Jerusalem was always set aside as a special "state"... A North/South split with Jerusalem around that split and still set as a special "state"?
It just seems the original split is asking for trouble.
Hamas beat Fatah in an election because they had majority support. The resulting war was won by Hamas for the same reason. When even people in the Fatah-controlled West Bank are saying they prefer Hamas, that speaks volumes.
Yes. But the Arabs brought it on themselves by rejecting the 1947 plan.
To truly understand the 'whys' of the division (BTW, search youtube for "Israel divided" and find another rabbit hole of nuances towards this) realise that, as partly mentioned, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, etc. all have their own parts to play in history, along with the Western powers having future 'plans' as to how things would work.
Fundamentally, ask yourself why, despite all of the bloodshed and killing and risk to life, so many people want to live next to Jerusalem. That is the answer.
Fundamentally, ask yourself why, despite all of the bloodshed and killing and risk to life, so many people want to live next to Jerusalem. That is the answer.
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Use the original UN plan for Jerusalem were it would become an international zone with a special status (run under international governance). You can read more about it here.
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Well thats my point - the orginal plan just seems daft so its no wonder it was rejected.
My book of words is better than your book of words. I will fight you over that. Literally the entire history of humans.
Polls coming out of authoritarian regimes are not trustworthy. There is also the middle finger effect where desperate people are fed up and it colours their judgement.
Having read a little about it - it would appear that the UN vote that approved the plan was subject to bribery and threats to some UN member votes to approve it by certain other members.... So its all well and good to "blame" the rejection on the Arab side when, in reality, the UN vote was likely corrupt to begin with.
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Because of where the people actually lived. Any "sensible" North/South or East/West way would have had involved mass displacement of people. Given that the Arab population objected to the division of their country to satisfy newly arrived settlers allowed in on mass by their occupiers trying to push them to relocate was never going to go smoothly, and while the majority of the Jewish population who had arrived in recent waves of immigration might have been more amenable, the smaller native Jewish population who had been there for generations were unlikely to have gone for such an idea.
Of course, following on from the creation of the State of Israel the year after that plan, some 700,000 Arabs were forced out of their homes anyway.
You don't understand.Not threaten the children of the other side:
In Gaza, where nearly half of the population is under 18, a children's rights crisis is unfolding
The Defense of Children in Palestine has tracked dozens of deaths in Palestine as a result of airstrikes from Israel.uk.news.yahoo.com
Atrocities do not justify more in retaliation. No matter how evil hamas may be, the threat of letting ~1million palestinian children suffer and/or die (not to mention people overall) seems just as evil.
There is no easy answer, as this is a long running war, and both sides of 'power' want the other wiped out, with the general population caught in the middle.
After years of being accused of having "no restraint", Israel is coming for Hamas and I don't think anything will stop them.
Tunels under Mosques and hospitals, Palistinian human shields, Israeli human shields, international human shields.
They could issue every member of Hamas a cute cuddly puppy to strap to the breastplate of their body armor...Israel will not stop.
Hamas has changed Israel's priority list in a way I don't think some people grasp.
Israel is done with this ****.
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People will always want to fight each other. At least with religion a majority feel the same way. If there weren't any religion then moral boundaries would be set individually.
1200 people from 2.3 million+ population. Whilst there may be support for Hamas (who else is going to fight for you when you're beaten down - it doesn't mean you support the sort of violence recently seen) the sample size is tiny.
I'm guessing (and it is a guess) that the map was drawn that way to try to give both sides "good" areas. Not all land is equally good for farming, etc. It probably also tried to take account of which areas had a majority of each people. Finally, splitting this way might have been done to promote integration between the populations. Also in 1947 Pakistan gained independence from India. On the face of it the split of land was far more logical. But that hasn't exactly gone without some conflict either.
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if the Jews were willing to hold Truman hostage to pass this plan, tells you something about the plan.
I was thinking more of Sykes-Picot and the Balfour Declaration, but everything changed in 1948 as Britain gave up and abandoned them to their fate.You're kidding, right? The 1947 partition plan was incredibly generous. It would have taken away ~40% of the Jews' land and given it to the Arabs; more than sufficient for a viable state. As a bonus, the Arabs would have received all the immediate territory around Old Jerusalem, allowing them to control access to the city.
The Arabs rejected this because they wanted even more, then they tried to take it all by force, and Israel kicked the **** out of them. Sucks to suck!
We don't have to assume it, polls and studies have shown that support for Hamas in Gaza has maintained a solid majority for years. A poll taken 2 years ago showed 53% support for Hamas, and 14% for Fatah. That was across both territories, Gaza and the West Bank.
Did the Jewish population really support those 1947 lines or was it a British proposal? We have to remember the Stern Gang and the Jewish terrorism of that period.
Britain in the Making of the Israel-Palestine Crisis
Contrary to popular belief, the notion of a Jewish homeland had been initiated much before the extermination of the community by Nazi Germany. The inception of the Israel-Palestine conflict, as it sta
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These melts need to worry about their own pitiful reporting standards rather than cryarsing about the BBC
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The wording is interesting, as the BBC is not a `state` broadcaster; that is the governement PR machine for a totalitarian regime; its a public service broadcaster with the mandate for being neutral
I absolutely understand. The Israeli government has always been wanting to wipe out palestine, and this is enough of an excuse.
I'm just dismayed at how much the rest of the world is backing Israel so much in this. Absolutely condone the actions of Hamas and seek to help, but allowing Israel to retaliate is just as bad.
The fact that Israel has constantly broken international law, and gets away with it, demonstrates how deeply rooted some powers are.
This is not going to end well for anyone, and in years to come, it will be an example for history students as to where so many wrong decisions happened.
Morality doesnt require religion to function - look at Utilitarianism.
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