Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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clv101 said:
This could be the end of Gaza Strip, Israel will occupy at least half the territory over the coming weeks, leading to 10,000+ deaths and a million+ refugees. Where will they go? Egypt, Syria, Saudi?

When the dust settles in a couple months, there aren't going to 2 million+ Palestinians living there anymore and there won't be an independent administration.

It look like we're on the eve of something like genocide or ethnic cleansing.

United Nations describes ethnic cleansing as “a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

I'm a little surprised so many people - including Shapps this morning - aren't a bit more wary about their uncritical support for Israel. If this does end up being regarded as one of history’s worst genocidal massacres, it's not a good look to have thrown uncritical support behind it.
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I dont know what the ultimate fallout of it will be but I agree that imo this is the end of the Gaza strip
 
So war crimes are currently BEING committed and the UN says nothing..... this fact alone tells you all you need to know about current world governments.

Hamas are a terrorist/militant group.... small and not an "army" or a 1st world nation. They are rightly condemned and will face trial for war crimes etc.... but apparently the Isreali army ( a proper army of a 1st world nation ) are allowed to commit war crimes ???
 
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clv101 said:
This could be the end of Gaza Strip, Israel will occupy at least half the territory over the coming weeks, leading to 10,000+ deaths and a million+ refugees. Where will they go? Egypt, Syria, Saudi?

When the dust settles in a couple months, there aren't going to 2 million+ Palestinians living there anymore and there won't be an independent administration.

It look like we're on the eve of something like genocide or ethnic cleansing.

United Nations describes ethnic cleansing as “a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

I'm a little surprised so many people - including Shapps this morning - aren't a bit more wary about their uncritical support for Israel. If this does end up being regarded as one of history’s worst genocidal massacres, it's not a good look to have thrown uncritical support behind it.
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I suspect behind the scenes Israel will be under significant pressure to avoid anything that could be interpreted as ethnic cleansing, the public backing is to be expected given that Israel is an important western ally and the Hamas attacks are utterly disgusting no matter what the perceived provocation is but behind the scenes I suspect the message is very different no nation will want to see social media flooded with a western sponsored massacre.
 
SpellowHouse said:
I do agree.

Choosing the words they did, made them appear too detached, giving very much the wrong impression.

And then they try to justify it, when they should just shut up and go with the flow.
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It's all pretty clear to me, I don't know why people are making such a big thing of it.

www.bbc.co.uk

Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.
www.bbc.co.uk

We regularly point out that the British and other governments have condemned Hamas as a terrorist organisation, but that's their business. We also run interviews with guests and quote contributors who describe Hamas as terrorists.

The key point is that we don't say it in our voice. Our business is to present our audiences with the facts, and let them make up their own minds.

As it happens, of course, many of the people who've attacked us for not using the word terrorist have seen our pictures, heard our audio or read our stories, and made up their minds on the basis of our reporting, so it's not as though we're hiding the truth in any way - far from it.

Any reasonable person would be appalled by the kind of thing we've seen. It's perfectly reasonable to call the incidents that have occurred "atrocities", because that's exactly what they are.
No-one can possibly defend the murder of civilians, especially children and even babies - nor attacks on innocent, peace-loving people who are attending a music festival.
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SpellowHouse said:
I do agree.

Choosing the words they did, made them appear too detached, giving very much the wrong impression.

And then they try to justify it, when they should just shut up and go with the flow.
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On Clive Myries segments last night, "Hamas, an organisation described by many European states as terrorist, indeed by the UK Government".

He repeated this mantra several times, almost each time he said the name Hamas. It sounded really contrived and not natural. A form of words derived by the BBC to try and please all sides, pleasing none.
 
garnett said:
"Ethnic cleansing" is a loaded term, and (as I can see it) this is not that. There is no element of violence or terrorism, which most definitions state as a requirement.

I get that it's not the perfect solution. However, the perfect solution, delivered decades too late or never at all, no longer represents the perfect solution.

I've got people telling me this is outrageously unfair to the Palestine and others telling me it's outrageously over-generous. People were forceably moved from their homes for HS2 - it seems to me, as long as the compensation is adequate, the proposal is fair.

Evicting the Palestinians is a blunt, unfair solution, but it could be implemented very quickly, and gets innocent Palestinians out of the danger zone.


These are the same people who will also be saying, "It's grossly unfair the Palestinians have been evicted", will it?

Seems to me the only concern here is how the level of compensation is arrived at. What *is* the going rate for being "ethnically cleansed" (as another poster phrased it)?

Make it massive. Make Israel fund part of it. Make it sufficient so that, wherever they end up, a proper community and economy can be built.
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No element of violence? Israel are currently indiscriminately shelling huge swathes of Gaza. No element of terrorism (the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims)? Israel have told the entire population of Northern Gaza to leave or face the consequences
 
n111ck said:
The BBC always pick the wrong hill to die on - this will just be another nail in the licence fee's coffin - the incompetence is just staggering.

Hamas are a prescribed terrorist group in the UK - that is a fact - describing them in any other way is simply a lie.
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Rubbish. The BBC always have had a mandate of neutrallity. Just because that disagrees with your own `opinion` doesnt change facts. Sorry you are feeling butt hurt about it./
 
a1ex2001 said:
No element of violence? Israel are currently indiscriminately shelling huge swathes of Gaza. No element of terrorism (the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims)? Israel have told the entire population of Northern Gaza to leave or face the consequences
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Proof of indiscriminate bombing ? or just assuming so because they are hitting buildings in gaza ?

Innocents will always die when a bomb is dropped, targeted or not, difference is a targeted attack will kill less.

If isreal wanted to indiscriminately bomb gazza...they would have done it in a day tops.
 
arknor said:
waiting for the movie about this, Black hawk down part 2

The only time anyone ever seemed to win door to door was in fallujah whilst lobbying white phosphorous everywhere and claiming it wasnt a war crime because America needed the light.
Must have run out of night vision goggles on that night
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Yes urban street fighting is best avoided, skills help but it is a bit of a lottery. It's why historically cities have been flattened instead, much safer for the attackers. The truth they never tell you is you can't win if only one side plays by the rules.
 
Nate75 said:
Confused by this so apologies if I am missing the point.

Are you basically saying that Hamas did worse last Saturday than what happened in Bucha? If so it's much the same and really, shouldn't be "spitting hairs" here.
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No, really I was thinking more about the way the people who don't support Israel tend to accuse them of this and that, while conveniently forgetting that Hamas did far worse last Saturday.
 
alchal said:
Proof of indiscriminate bombing ? or just assuming so because they are hitting buildings in gaza ?

Innocents will always die when a bomb is dropped, targeted or not, difference is a targeted attack will kill less.

If isreal wanted to indiscriminately bomb gazza...they would have done it in a day tops.
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Ok you win every single shell they are firing into the Gazza strip is precision targeted on known Hamas positions (If you really believe that then I feel sorry for you)
 
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