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Exactly, and our special forces might have priorities that aren't on the top of the USA or Israel's to-do list. Not forgetting that UK citizens are also trapped in Gaza.
Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Yes to be fair we offer some good specialist capabilities. It's often forgotten that what we lack in quantity we make up in quality.
Would they risk our special forces in Gaza to rescue hostages, or be more of a stand off intelligence role?
Who knows. I've spoken to a few ex marines and they got sent into all sorts of places to rescue people, often under D-notice restrictions and even they didn't really know the full picture just the immediate mission details.
Soldato
Hostages, unlikely. But the First Minister of Scotland's family? Perhaps.
13 hostages now dead due to the bombings according to Hamas.
Well assuming that's true, and it probably isn't, I'm sure Hamas are busy moving the 'hostages / little remaining leverage' to a safer location right now..
Presumably once all the hostages are confirmed dead or rescued the Israeli gloves will really come off..
I don't see a way out for those hostages sadly, if indeed they are even alive.
I reckon hostages will continue to factor into this conflict long after the last one is released or murdered. They're of unknown number, Hamas just need to keep threatening to harm them regardless of them having any left or not.
I doubt very much whether Israel have an accurate and confirmed figure of how many were taken.
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I think that they will have a pretty accurate idea. Relatives information and they are a more cohesive society than say the UK.
waiting for the movie about this, Black hawk down part 2
The only time anyone ever seemed to win door to door was in fallujah whilst lobbying white phosphorous everywhere and claiming it wasnt a war crime because America needed the light.
Must have run out of night vision goggles on that night
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At this point, and sorry for being facetious, those hostages are all Schrodinger's cat until there is proof of life.
It's a nightmare scenario for Israel.
Its interesting that Hamas haven't executed any on Facebook despite the threats - they clearly know they need them alive..
Lol I think you are giving Hamas way, way too much credit..
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"Ethnic cleansing" is a loaded term, and (as I can see it) this is not that. There is no element of violence or terrorism, which most definitions state as a requirement.
I get that it's not the perfect solution. However, the perfect solution, delivered decades too late or never at all, no longer represents the perfect solution.
I've got people telling me this is outrageously unfair to the Palestine and others telling me it's outrageously over-generous. People were forceably moved from their homes for HS2 - it seems to me, as long as the compensation is adequate, the proposal is fair.
Evicting the Palestinians is a blunt, unfair solution, but it could be implemented very quickly, and gets innocent Palestinians out of the danger zone.
These are the same people who will also be saying, "It's grossly unfair the Palestinians have been evicted", will it?
Seems to me the only concern here is how the level of compensation is arrived at. What *is* the going rate for being "ethnically cleansed" (as another poster phrased it)?
Make it massive. Make Israel fund part of it. Make it sufficient so that, wherever they end up, a proper community and economy can be built.
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Read what it says the UK policy is totally different to the UN one is the key message.That's good to know the UNHR and the UN are total unconnected "The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees is a United Nations agency". Definitely not connected, never communicate or share any policies, got it
This could be the end of Gaza Strip, Israel will occupy at least half the territory over the coming weeks, leading to 10,000+ deaths and a million+ refugees. Where will they go? Egypt, Syria, Saudi?
When the dust settles in a couple months, there aren't going to 2 million+ Palestinians living there anymore and there won't be an independent administration.
It look like we're on the eve of something like genocide or ethnic cleansing.
United Nations describes ethnic cleansing as “a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”
I'm a little surprised so many people - including Shapps this morning - aren't a bit more wary about their uncritical support for Israel. If this does end up being regarded as one of history’s worst genocidal massacres, it's not a good look to have thrown uncritical support behind it.
When the dust settles in a couple months, there aren't going to 2 million+ Palestinians living there anymore and there won't be an independent administration.
It look like we're on the eve of something like genocide or ethnic cleansing.
United Nations describes ethnic cleansing as “a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”
I'm a little surprised so many people - including Shapps this morning - aren't a bit more wary about their uncritical support for Israel. If this does end up being regarded as one of history’s worst genocidal massacres, it's not a good look to have thrown uncritical support behind it.
As noted on russian telegram channels where Hamas posted all their beheading/rape you name it videos, they took them down so as not to lose the hearts and minds campaign, especially when they realised that burning babies wasn't going to float sympathy.
Soldato
I do agree.
Choosing the words they did, made them appear too detached, giving very much the wrong impression.
And then they try to justify it, when they should just shut up and go with the flow.
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