Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Oh so Hama's hitting isreal is okay and deserved it but when they do something like this it's not okay now, especially when this has come out and all the 'isreal is at fault" suddenly find it uncomfortable?

You make your bed you lay in it., Don't cherry pick.
What are you going on about? You claimed that there are loads of posts in this thread stating that the young German girl that was brutally murdered and then desecrated on TV by some malignant ***** from Hamas 'deserved it'. I asked you to back up your claim by quoting said posts. You haven't!

So either you lied and they don't exist, or you're just failing to understand a simple request written in plain English. Which is it?
 
Because Israel holds the largest amount of land and they drove the Palestine's out.
It seems impossible to get an unbiased reporting of chain of events, but from the various times I have read / heard the story told it's basically:

1) World organizing body (UN or a precursor to the UN?) carved out land for Jews.
2) Multiple Arab nations amassed multiple large armies to take Israel out. (6 day war?)
3) Isreal kicked all their asses and took some of the currently contested land in that war.

At least some of the land, like the Golan Heights, would give future attackers a serious advantage were Israel to give it back.

It seems to me that the body that carved out land for Isreal in the first place carries most of the blame for the current situation. Maybe they intentionally put the Jews in a place where they would be surrounded by nations that hated them and would gang up on them and destroy the fledgling nation. (Only to be able to shrug and say "Oh well, we tried.") However, Israel surprised the world and not only didn't get destroyed, but took more land in the process.
 
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Russia has been threatened with a nuclear response if they use nukes. That's not restraint. It's logic.
No, that's double standards. What do you think would happen if Israel did as you suggest and literally "flattened Gaza"?

e: Had done, I mean, before today.
 
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It seems impossible to get an unbiased reporting of chain of events, but from the various times I have read / heard the story told it's basically:

1) World organizing body (UN or a precursor to the UN?) carved out land for Jews.
2) Multiple Arab nations amassed multiple large armies to take Israel out. (6 day war?)
3) Isreal kicked all their asses and took some of the currently contested land in that war.

At least some of the land, like the Golan Heights, would give future attackers a serious advantage were Israel to give it back.

It seems to me that the body that carved out land for Isreal in the first place carries most of the blame for the current situation. Maybe they intentionally put the Jews in a place where they would be surrounded by nations that hated them and would gang up on them and destroy the fledgling nation. (Only to be able to shrug and say "Oh well, we tried.") However, Israel surprised the world and not only didn't get destroyed, but took more land in the process.
so the USA then....


also this


basically shows how much encroachment of palestinian territory has happened since the division in 1946

goes a long way to explaining why the US usually abstains on more or less all resolutions pertianing to that area and specifically Palestinian rights etc in the UN. The history of that strip of land is probably amongst the bloodiest in modern history.
 
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I don't think they would be nuked.
If Israel literally wiped the Palestinians off the map, they would be seen by just about everyone as a force of evil.

They aren't "exercising restraint" by not literally genociding all the Palestinians. They'd be a pariah state if they did that. You've set the bar ridiculously low.

The earlier point stands. Israel basically doesn't exercise restraint in its dealings with Palestinians. The only limit to their brutality is the point at which they'd be a pariah state, and even the US would find it difficult to support them (maybe).
 
nothing would happen as the US would probably block anything that the UN tried to do.
Probably. But they would lose almost all their international support and all the sympathy they might have had.

The US would probably claim it was a righteous genocide, but the US/Israeli relationship defies all logic.
 
so the USA then....


also this


basically shows how much encroachment of palestinian territory has happened since the division in 1946

goes a long way to explaining why the US usually abstains on more or less all resolutions pertianing to that area and specifically Palestinian rights etc in the UN. The history of that strip of land is probably amongst the bloodiest in modern history.
I think you missed something:
 
If Israel literally wiped the Palestinians off the map, they would be seen by just about everyone as a force of evil.

They aren't "exercising restraint" by not literally genociding all the Palestinians. They'd be a pariah state if they did that. You've set the bar ridiculously low.

The earlier point stands. Israel basically doesn't exercise restraint in its dealings with Palestinians. The only limit to their brutality is the point at which they'd be a pariah state, and even the US would find it difficult to support them (maybe).

US might publically denounce them, but ultimately the US massively needs Israel. Israel is basically a military storage location for a lot of US hardware. Where does everyone think the majority of the hardware delpoyed in their numerous "we give you democracy by violence wars" is currently stored ? Hint, it's not Turkey...............
 

I think you didn't read what you linked to
The land allocated to the Arab State in the final plan included about 43% of Mandatory Palestine[56][57][58] and consisted of all of the highlands, except for Jerusalem, plus one-third of the coastline. The highlands contain the major aquifers of Palestine, which supplied water to the coastal cities of central Palestine, including Tel Aviv.[citation needed] The Jewish State allocated to the Jews, who constituted a third of the population and owned about 7% of the land, was to receive 56% of Mandatory Palestine, a slightly larger area to accommodate the increasing numbers of Jews who would immigrate there.

The latest borders don't represent what was agreed in that final plan.
 
US might publically denounce them, but ultimately the US massively needs Israel. Israel is basically a military storage location for a lot of US hardware. Where does everyone think the majority of the hardware delpoyed in their numerous "we give you democracy by violence wars" is currently stored ? Hint, it's not Turkey...............

Exact locations of the storage depots etc ?
 
From an email from the Spectator:

The Spectator said:
War on Israel



Israel is now at war after Hamas launched a surprise attack on the country this morning. More than 5,000 missiles allowed the militant group to send its fighters into Israeli territory where they have been fighting on foot and capturing civilians. Some of the footage of people being attacked and taken hostage is deeply disturbing. The offensive came on the 50th anniversary of the surprise attack that marked the start of the Yom Kippur War, and questions are already being asked about how the Israeli state, always on the lookout for an attack from the neighbours who want its obliteration, failed to spot and foil the action. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said ‘we are at war and we will win’, with a swift counter-offensive on the way – and a full-scale war likely to follow. As Limor Simhony Philpott says on Coffee House, Hamas would need a good reason for taking the risk of a war with Israel – and one of those reasons is its desire to collapse the Palestinian Authority.



Joe Biden had been brokering an agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel which would probably have required some concessions to Palestine – but this war could well see the end of that. He held a call with Netanyahu this afternoon and released a statement afterwards saying: ‘The United States unequivocally condemns this appalling assault against Israel by Hamas terrorists from Gaza. Terrorism is never justified. Israel has a right to defend itself and its people. The United States warns against any other party hostile to Israel seeking advantage in this situation. My administration’s support for Israel’s security is rock solid and unwavering.’



Netanyahu has had strained relations with the Biden administration over the past few months, particularly given his ‘reasonableness’ reforms, which undermine the judiciary and Supreme Court. Over many years, he has defined his leadership by strength and security – and this means that the pressure on him is all the greater given the build-up to the attack seems to have passed the intelligence services by. This will define the legacy of an enduring and controversial figure.



The British response has seen Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer use the same language as Biden, both saying that Israel had a ‘right to defend itself’. The Prime Minister said: ‘I am shocked by this morning’s attacks by Hamas terrorists against Israeli citizens. Israel has an absolute right to defend itself. We’re in contact with Israeli authorities, and British nationals in Israel should follow travel advice.’ Starmer said: ‘I utterly condemn the ongoing attacks on Israel and her citizens. There is no justification for this act of terror which is being perpetrated by those who seek to undermine any chance for future peace in the region. Israel has a right to defend herself.’
 
Post from Reddit on this:

"Just to put into the correct perspective, before the excuses start popping out. What happened is that terrorists crossed the border from a territory which Israel withdrew from and returned to the Palestinians, into a territory internationally recognized as part of Israel. They entered cities and towns and started massacring unarmed civilians inside their homes. Some civilians were kidnapped and taken back into Gaza"

 
Post from Reddit on this:

"Just to put into the correct perspective, before the excuses start popping out. What happened is that terrorists crossed the border from a territory which Israel withdrew from and returned to the Palestinians, into a territory internationally recognized as part of Israel. They entered cities and towns and started massacring unarmed civilians inside their homes. Some civilians were kidnapped and taken back into Gaza"

Lol, how one-sided do you want to be? Gaza is fubar thanks to Israel.


 
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