Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Based on what can be confirmed from videos released by Hamas today, fighters penetrated the border in at least 5-6 places and assaulted Israeli military outposts nearly uncontested, at times catching soldiers in their underwear. Level of surprise looks to have been nearly total.
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Seems they got very relaxed not expecting something like this would happen, heads going to roll.
 
Russian propaganda is heavy tonight

New propaganda that's just appeared from the bots is a video claiming Ukraine sold US weapons to Hamas and the video shows off hand grenades and a couple guns

some critical thought from the idiots on Twitter would reveal that the US left tons of equipment in Afghanistan and the Taliban support Hamas, so there is the much more likely source
 
bingham67 said:
Seems they got very relaxed not expecting something like this would happen, heads going to roll.
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Always depresses me when it comes to lack of preparedness, complacency, etc. people have this weird thing of weighing up chance of happening but not properly weighing the consequences in the equation - always just leaves me facepalming, especially the *surprised face* when/if things go down.

On a similar note this whole thing depresses me, I always think how small people's [mental] worlds are when it comes to stuff like this.
 
Rroff said:
Always depresses me when it comes to lack of preparedness, complacency, etc. people have this weird thing of weighing up chance of happening but not properly weighing the consequences in the equation - always just leaves me facepalming, especially the *surprised face* when/if things go down.

On a similar note this whole thing depresses me, I always think how small people's [mental] worlds are when it comes to stuff like this.
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How does the mental world compute 33,000 Palestinian children killled by Israeli's since 2008?
 
Screeeech said:
For me it’s too complicated and deeply rooted in hate, religion and violence - I have no idea who’s right or wrong.

I imagine you could find countless examples of iniquities being committed by both sides, they both hate each other so much - I don’t see how you can fathom right or wrong in it.

It just seems like an endless bloodbath without rhyme or reason.
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Its a long and bloody history with nothing good to say on either side. Recent developments are in response to increased boldness of israeli settlers who are illegally under international law buldozing palestinian homes on occupied west bank land and driving them out they face constant harassment and intimidation and the israeli govt is increasingly hard line and in support of the settlers there was even a full blown constitutional crisis earlier this year when the govt basically removed the right of israeli courts to question the decisions it makes, its becoming increasingly powerful with massive protests against it by liberal israelis - there are two types of israelis those of european origin who are liberal, westernised and democratic in tradition and the other half who orginated in the arab lands who are intolerant and aggressive politically who do not share the same liberal attitudes - and they're the ones in the ascendent. There is also an increasingly hardline orthodox and extreme orthodox jewish militant factions who largely are behind the settlements on palestinian land and who are in supported by the hardline israeli government - things are getting more and more extreme from them too with recent outrage at video footage of them spitting at christians and desecrating christian graves even promiment ones - its all a volcano of extremisit nationalist politics. And going against that is the anger and outrage coming from the palestinians, and we are where we are.

And for anyone who doesn't understand why Israel doesn't just invade/latten Gaza - it was Israel who themselves set up Gaza its their creation rather than have palestinians all over the place they couldn't keep track of they fenced off gaza - quite literally - and kettled them all in there like cattle hoping to keep a lid on them, except it hasn't quite worked out like that like its created a crucible of ire and resentment which periodically explodes into what you see.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
How does the mental world compute 33,000 Palestinian children killled by Israeli's since 2008?
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You seem to have rammed 2 different things together there to make a point, I'm not really sure what you are saying.

Blackjack Davy said:
There is also an increasingly hardline orthodox and extreme orthodox jewish militant factions who largely are behind the settlements on palestinian land and who are in supported by the hardline israeli government - things are getting more and more extreme from them too with recent outrage at video footage of them spitting at christians and desecrating christian graves even promiment ones
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Sadly the same with most religions, especially the Abrahamic ones - you get the true believers/zealots who'll carry out the most abhorrent acts feeling justified by their religious cause, their worlds are so small unable or unwilling to see beyond the environment they've been brought up in.
 
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It's OK, I'm reliably informed that the Palestinians are decent people. They'll sort this out nicely.


ANDREW GREEN said:
How does the mental world compute 33,000 Palestinian children killled by Israeli's since 2008?
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Total number of Palestinian children killed by Israel from 2000-2023: 2,288.

This table shows the number of children killed as a result of Israeli military and settler presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the beginning of the second Palestinian uprising against occupation, or Intifada, according to DCIP's documentation. These tables do not include children killed while involved in hostilities.
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Source: Defence for Children International.
 
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I think the ultimate puppet masters in this the IRG will be hit as well be that overtly or covertly. I'm just hoping that Russia hasn't given anything to them what they have always coveted in exchange for shells and drones.
 
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