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Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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My knowledge of middle eastern affairs is practically zero but I always thought that the Palestinians are technically from what is now Jordan. So why can't they have land in Jordan as opposed to just picking somewhere like Jerusalem simply because it's a holy site for them?
Sorry if this offensive but I'd rather be educated than scorned.
'Palestestinians' are the people who lived in Israel, aka Palestine, and owned most of the land there before the mass Jewish immigration there. Jordan is simply a different region and culture
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'Palestestinians' are the people who lived in Israel, aka Palestine, and owned most of the land there before the mass Jewish immigration there. Jordan is simply a different region and culture
And was part of the Ottoman Empire before WW1 is my (limited) understanding.
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Not seen German government say anything yet?
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'Palestestinians' are the people who lived in Israel, aka Palestine, and owned most of the land there before the mass Jewish immigration there. Jordan is simply a different region and culture
Please come back to reality. Your narrative is as false as your hilariously inaccurate map.
Here's the real one:
Do you want to know why those millions of Palestinian refugees exist? Because in 1948 the Arabs told them that if they did not leave Israel before Israel was attacked, they would be destroyed along with the Israelis, whereas if they left, they would be given Israel as a prize when the Arabs were victorious.
Then the Arabs lost, and the Palestinians were not allowed to return to Israel, so they asked the Arab nations to take them in, and the Arab nations refused.
It's also a matter of public record that Israel told the Palestinians to remain in Israel before the Arabs attacked in 1948. Those who stayed, gained permanent ressidence.
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BBC live feed
A lot of the rockets fired are faster and using a different fuel tech to the bulk of what has been fired before, though Iron Dome was still successfully intercepting them up to the point of saturation. Which likely is direct involvement of Iran.
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Today should be a day of celebration for supporters of democracy and human rights worldwide, as Gazans break out of their open-air prison and Hamas fighters cross into their colonisers' territory. The struggle for freedom is rarely bloodless and we shouldn't apologise for it.
Jesus H Christ.
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How did that work out for them now? Israel treat none Jews like second class citizens they have different laws for them and are slowing killing them off stealing their land. This conflict won't ever end until both party's stop trying to wipe each other off the map and make two state solution.
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Please come back to reality. Your narrative is as false as your hilariously inaccurate map.
Here's the real one:
Do you want to know why those millions of Palestinian refugees exist? Because in 1948 the Arabs told them that if they did not leave Israel before Israel was attacked, they would be destroyed along with the Israelis, whereas if they left, they would be given Israel as a prize when the Arabs were victorious.
Then the Arabs lost, and the Palestinians were not allowed to return to Israel, so they asked the Arab nations to take them in, and the Arab nations refused.
It's also a matter of public record that Israel told the Palestinians to remain in Israel before the Arabs attacked in 1948. Those who stayed, gained permanent ressidence.
You're an apologist for ethnic cleansing and colonialism. The people who lived throughout modern day Israel were mainly Palestinians and Israeli Arabs. Britain using it's colonial power to grant the Palestine Mandate, was simply an excuse for ethnic cleansing of a whole nation of people from their homes and region is a war crime by both the British and the Israeli nations. The same war crime continues to this day as the settler movement and Israeli police encourages settlers to force Palestinians out of their homes, literally stealing their properties.
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After what happened to them during WW2, Jews put themselves first no matter what.
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The Palestinians who accepted permanent residence and/or Israeli citizenship are living safely in Israeli territory instead of being torn apart by the Hamas/Fatah conflict, and regular bombardments from the IDF.
Israel is certainly forcing Palestinians off their land, particularly in the West Bank, where illegal settlements multiply daily while Palestinian properties are illegally destroyed. As for treating non-Jews like second class citizens, I'm not convinced that's true.
I agree.
Nope. If that was true, I wouldn't be condemning Israel's invasion and annexation of the West Bank.
Nope.
Nope. There was no Palestinian nation. There is no unique Palestinian language, culture, or history. Palestinian identity was invented in the 1960s.
Yep, and you'll never find me defending those crimes.
Meanwhile, this useful idiot is back at it again.
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It is quite simple.
You can support a two-state solution as I do, oppose some/much of what Israeli Governments have done, think Netanyahu is an absolute **** (and bordering on a racist/facist) and still absolutely condemn and abhor what Hamas has done.
Why is that so difficult?
You can support a two-state solution as I do, oppose some/much of what Israeli Governments have done, think Netanyahu is an absolute **** (and bordering on a racist/facist) and still absolutely condemn and abhor what Hamas has done.
Why is that so difficult?
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I went to Jerusalem on a trip when I was on holiday in turkey, it was pretty much a scary place to be, everyone old enough (Israeli) carried an M16 over their shoulder, it was weird seeing all these normal looking people just going to the shops etc carrying a gun.
I did the pilgrimage where you walk the path Jesus took whilst carrying the cross after that we went to the wailing wall down these huge steps where a checkpoint was which was out of bounds for Palestinians.
The wailing wall is at the bottom of these steps, we were allowed in where you write notes, wishes etc and put them into cracks in the wall in the hope god reads them.
Military was everywhere and you are strictly forbidden to take photos, probably for obvious reasons.
Not a place I would hurry back to but I had no Idea I was walking the path Jesus took to this huge chapel where you touch the star of Bethlehem so that was a bonus.
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Israel's Occupation: 50 Years of Dispossession
Mass human rights violations during the 50-year occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip have devastated the lives of millions of Palestinians.www.amnesty.org
Amnesty have lost any credibility. A real shame as they used to actually stand for something.
Soldato
Look at Twitter.
Most of the usual suspects on both sides are attacking Israel.
There is a guy with a name referring to Adolf currently calling me a Jewish bootlicker, and another guy called O'Tool with the Sinn Fein flag in his profile attacking me because I said nobody should be glorying the deaths of innocent people.
I'm surprised that you chose to challenge me on that when the evidence is publicly overwhelming.
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From BBC in the last few minutes, 100 kidnapped? Going to be a nightmare trying to get them back,
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They will all be human shields, they will be tied up right at the front of every ammo storage building and command post
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