Israel/Palestine Shenanigans
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sure, why not? we made a whole advertising campaign out of bombing Iraq.
"Sock and awe" tune in at six for full HD coverage!
I notice Palestinian supporters seem to want the world to do something, but they seem blissfully unaware of how they look to the world.
Back in 1944 the Kamikaze appeared, and the Americans couldn't understand why an enemy would seek to die in an attack, take risks yes but not certain suicide.
When cultures differ in how they view life it is very easy to see them as irreconcilably 'different' and different cultures that don't appear to value life are seen as degenerate by western standards.
So when Palestinians hold up a dead baby to a camera, we still remember the pictures of Palestinian children with suicide vests and holding guns, and the last words of the female suicide bombers. When Israelis show pictures of a bus blown up, we remember the picture of the Jewish girl writing on Israeli howitzer shells.
Both sides are teaching their children to hate, and as we don't do this in the UK we see the people of both sides as different and both sides as degenerate.
Nobody cares about people if they don't relate to them and frankly the Palestinians are doing a massively bad job at garnering sympathy from anyone, particularly as they are happy to talk about the effectiveness of their human shield policy.
They remain completely oblivious that such an idea is abhorrent to a western audience, to them it's some kind of honourable sacrifice.
Ironically they have a perfectly legitimate case regarding their living conditions, which gets almost zero media attention, because exploding rockets make better news.
I'm sure sitting in their little bubble they must imagine that the world is poised to rush to their aid after seeing a few dead babies, but clearly it isn't happening and it is about time they realised just what they look like to Western people.
This of course suits Israel, they can carry on waving peace flags whilst training the next generation of the IDF.
It's the same in Syria, they didn't appear to understand that nobody wanted to help them even though lots of people were clearly either dying, starving or being gassed.
You'd think after a gas attack western people would be demanding action, but because back in the UK some clod had just hacked a soldiers head off, the muslims were seen as nutcases once more.
Bear in mind that we attach labels to people/races/colours, so all Russians drink vodka, all black people eat fried chicken and all muslims... well, pick a Daily Mail stereotype.
Muslims have hundreds of variations and each country is different, but they are still seen as 'one group' because nobody identifies with them.
The more a group seems less like "us", the easier it is to attach a stereotype.
Compare that to 80's South Africa where black people were being marginalised, everyone knew black people had exactly the same values as white people. And after a bit of political inertia, sanctions followed and it was sorted.
Same with Live Aid, lots of black babies going hungry, yep we can identify with that, here have some money.
Nobody is ever going to do that for anyone in the middle east, because nobody understands why anyone would want to kill someone over a religion or teach their kids to hate or let women kill themselves.
Until they start looking like people that we are able to identify with, nobody is going to care.
Back in 1944 the Kamikaze appeared, and the Americans couldn't understand why an enemy would seek to die in an attack, take risks yes but not certain suicide.
When cultures differ in how they view life it is very easy to see them as irreconcilably 'different' and different cultures that don't appear to value life are seen as degenerate by western standards.
So when Palestinians hold up a dead baby to a camera, we still remember the pictures of Palestinian children with suicide vests and holding guns, and the last words of the female suicide bombers. When Israelis show pictures of a bus blown up, we remember the picture of the Jewish girl writing on Israeli howitzer shells.
Both sides are teaching their children to hate, and as we don't do this in the UK we see the people of both sides as different and both sides as degenerate.
Nobody cares about people if they don't relate to them and frankly the Palestinians are doing a massively bad job at garnering sympathy from anyone, particularly as they are happy to talk about the effectiveness of their human shield policy.
They remain completely oblivious that such an idea is abhorrent to a western audience, to them it's some kind of honourable sacrifice.
Ironically they have a perfectly legitimate case regarding their living conditions, which gets almost zero media attention, because exploding rockets make better news.
I'm sure sitting in their little bubble they must imagine that the world is poised to rush to their aid after seeing a few dead babies, but clearly it isn't happening and it is about time they realised just what they look like to Western people.
This of course suits Israel, they can carry on waving peace flags whilst training the next generation of the IDF.
It's the same in Syria, they didn't appear to understand that nobody wanted to help them even though lots of people were clearly either dying, starving or being gassed.
You'd think after a gas attack western people would be demanding action, but because back in the UK some clod had just hacked a soldiers head off, the muslims were seen as nutcases once more.
Bear in mind that we attach labels to people/races/colours, so all Russians drink vodka, all black people eat fried chicken and all muslims... well, pick a Daily Mail stereotype.
Muslims have hundreds of variations and each country is different, but they are still seen as 'one group' because nobody identifies with them.
The more a group seems less like "us", the easier it is to attach a stereotype.
Compare that to 80's South Africa where black people were being marginalised, everyone knew black people had exactly the same values as white people. And after a bit of political inertia, sanctions followed and it was sorted.
Same with Live Aid, lots of black babies going hungry, yep we can identify with that, here have some money.
Nobody is ever going to do that for anyone in the middle east, because nobody understands why anyone would want to kill someone over a religion or teach their kids to hate or let women kill themselves.
Until they start looking like people that we are able to identify with, nobody is going to care.
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I wouldn't call what is happening "Shenanigans". 
As long the world is governed by tyrants and oppressors their will be wars. Islam, Christian and Judaism does not teach people to murder others based on their religion. History and the current day people in power be it western, eastern, Muslim, Christian, Jewish or any other religion have and will use the misconception, stereotypes, fear etc of other races, religions, ethnicity, ideology to gain power.
We have seen it before with Hitler, the crusade, Al-Qaeda, Zionism, Iraq invasion, Rwanda, the list goes on. You might say people don't care but why are people protesting all over the world? why is their a discussion about the conflict now?
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” - Malcolm X
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Is that your only picture Farore? Seen it a few times now (and it'll get binned if you don't stop hotlinking btw)
Is deliberately misquoting me childish or really cool these days?
How innocent do you think the Palestinians are? They hate the Jews, they perpetuate political systems that are only interested in violence.
They are no different from the Israelis who are behaving in exactly the same way.
*sigh*
You really don't get it at all do you?
Go here:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18611214
look at all the posters wishing to donate to help an injured cat, there must be 30 odd people there?
THAT is what people in the West really care about and will donate money for, a sick cat...
not your dead babies, not your wars, just a cat.
You can show your silly picture of Jews sitting on deckchairs all you want and nobody will care, nobody will donate a button.
Until you and all the angry frustrated people like you understand the reality of Western values, you are just part of the problem.
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So according to your thought process a thread with people caring about cats means people don't care about dead babies? Epic logic.
Not wishing do be dragged in again btw. Just trying to understand the hyperbole or the fact you seem to be very extreme in your views. Like using the cat lovers thread to your advantage for example, it's very interesting on a psychological level. I find it interesting analysing people's arguments. I've come to the conclusion that logic doesn't matter when you're trying to win a futile argument.
Just to point out for reference, That thread is personal to Overclocker's as a community. You cannot use the same logic unless the cat was also in Palestine and the person taking care of it was a complete stranger. Furthermore, the fact I've given money to Palestinian relief efforts makes your point utterly void also.
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Any chance you could stop making this all about me? makes for a more interesting discussion.
It's not my logic, look at what the mass media does.
DM home page. Palestine isn't front page news, it's buried right at the bottom under puppy videos.
Again, that is the reality of what the Western values are.
Your wars are not interesting to us at all.
Now lots of PC people will be thinking to themselves, maybe I should do something?
But I reckon that is as far as it will go.
It's very easy for people to say "oh look at the dead babies, that's terrible!" and feel like they've done something.
But they haven't have they? In reality they've done **** all.
Just expressing sympathy is merely the equivalent of a Like on FaceTard.
Don't yell at me for pointing out the reality of all this, I don't give a stuff either way.
But don't pretend people are holier than everyone else for saying they care, because their caring has zero effect on the situation.
Sorry, doesn't work that way.
I could put up a picture of Farore's deckchairs and a picture of a random cat with a airgun pellet in its head, and ask for donations to either.
The West already know Israelis are horrible, there is no emotional connection there.
But a sick cat? Well that's 50% of the population interested.
Swap the cat for a kid with cancer and that 100% of the population interested.
Swap the kid with cancer, for a kid with cancer who has a bucket list and some inspirational messages, and Palestinians will send him money.
These are just the facts behind marketing a product or a charity, if people don't engage with your message they won't buy into it.
Fact is the most popular charities in the UK are animal and child ones, everything else comes second. So you can argue till you are blue in the face that more people should care about dead Palestinian babies (and morally you are correct, we should) but that is not the hard reality of Western values.
Me neither.
btw I've edited my post because it looked like you thought I was talking about you, when really I was making a general point.
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No. You've got almost 50 posts in this thread. That's double as much as the next guy, therefore you know it's all about your ideas. You are the discussion. You're filling this thread will null logic replies and I'm just asking you for clarification and/or more data for psychoanalytic study.
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over exaggeration? when people higher up in Israeli government talk about "what happened in hiroshima and nagasaki" as a possible solution, and kill everyone in Palestine...
what if you had people come to your house take over 70% of it, cut your water/gas supplies off and then would YOU just sit and take it?
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Unfortunately you have made this discussion about you again.... If you hadn't noticed your world view is one of a fringe right winger which thankfully is a minority one and on here. You are continually guilty of statements where you attempt to speak for everybody applying your deranged logic as if it is a majority one. You seem to confuse "i don't care" or "i don't care for dead babies" with "we don't care" or "we don't care for dead babies". In fact this thread itself shows otherwise.
Now that's cleared up
Now lets have a look how you attempt to justify your personal opinions and apply them to the masses, with a DailyMail reference, I'm not sure that's ever worked out well. Now unless you have been living under a rock, which wouldn't surprise me, the Palestine/Israel issue has been making the headlines continuously for the last week and has been the top story on google news for the last week. Any serious paper has lead with the conflicts, but of course it suits you to reference papers which are mostly interested in celebrity gossip.
Then you have attempted to use a forum post about an injured cat that needs medical attention as some sort of valid comparison to the general publics reactions with dead babies
If you can not see why that is a misrepresentation of reality then explaining why to you is fruitless.A) It's nobodies wars here, unless you think we have a large Israeli/Palestinan membership
B) I / us confusion again
Public perception is incredibly important in democracy, and has and will shape government policy. If something is highly unpopular its harder to overrule it.
from pro-Israeli site and you think it will be biased, that is like watching a news channel in north korea praising its Prime minister, or during the WW2 watching TV in Germany praising Hitler..
FACT: look up the MAP of Israel/Palestine from 1948 and now.. and then see who is doing what.. that alone should prove who is what.
Are you serious? before british came, their land belonged to no one, everyone worked together instead of the current "I should have this, all about ME ME ME".. i would consider that a great trait..
Not doing anything important doesnt mean they should not have a nation! what kind of a person uses this kind of arguments.. ISrael is only powerful because it had US donations right from start which currently runs at 3$ billion..
Y'know I actually thought post #264 would lead this off into a more interesting area
Maybe you should sleep on it and see what you think tomorrow
Night.
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Y'know I actually thought post #264 would lead this off into a more interesting area
Maybe you should sleep on it and see what you think tomorrow
Night.
Yes I have read your post 264, unsurprisingly you have applied your reality as the reality which unfortunately for you isn't the case. All you have said is how you feel or don't feel, there's not much interesting to discus unless you want us to discuss you, which apparently you don't want /
Here is what the ex-leader of Hamas thought:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=737836929573311
(which is not what Israel and US would have you believe)
Here are testimonials of ex-Israeli soldiers: (enough said when you hear it from the horses mouth)
https://www.facebook.com/BreakingTheSilenceIsrael
Here is an image of the map (1948 and now)
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What an Israeli MP has to say: (need chrome to "translate the page")
https://www.facebook.com/ayelet.benshaul.shaked/posts/596568183794945
and lets flatten Gaza:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ma-says-ariel-sharons-son-gilad-28924762.html
Those Israelis/Zionists are really the victim in all this and all they want is "peace"
Wake up!
(Note I say ZIONIST not to be confused by Jews unlike some people I can tell the difference!)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=737836929573311
(which is not what Israel and US would have you believe)
Here are testimonials of ex-Israeli soldiers: (enough said when you hear it from the horses mouth)
https://www.facebook.com/BreakingTheSilenceIsrael
Here is an image of the map (1948 and now)
image upload no size limit
What an Israeli MP has to say: (need chrome to "translate the page")
https://www.facebook.com/ayelet.benshaul.shaked/posts/596568183794945
and lets flatten Gaza:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ma-says-ariel-sharons-son-gilad-28924762.html
Those Israelis/Zionists are really the victim in all this and all they want is "peace"
Wake up!
(Note I say ZIONIST not to be confused by Jews unlike some people I can tell the difference!)
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Actually if some people care more about cats than dead babies, then they are the one with issues.. it doesnt prove anything
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