Italian Grand Prix 2011, Monza Circuit - Race 13/19

[sunama]

Assuming that DRS doesnt really give much of an advantage (given the virtually non existent rear wing), I am hoping that RBR won't be as dominant. This could be the first non-RBR pole of the year, assuming that Hamilton can get his act together.

If Vettel is not on pole, then on race day, Hamilton or Alonso have a good chance of a win.

One thing's for sure, Vettel is not in the same form that he was at the start of the season, where he was basically humiliating his team-mate and all the other drivers on the grid.

The Championship is definitely over, though. Vettel: 2 World Drivers Championships...at such a young age.

 

[Duke]

Practice 1 results

[b]Pos  Driver                Team                  Time               Laps[/b]
 1.  Lewis Hamilton        McLaren-Mercedes      1m23.865s            18
 2.  Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes      1m24.786s  + 0.921   19
 3.  Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault      1m25.231s  + 1.366   25
 4.  Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault      1m25.459s  + 1.594   24
 5.  Adrian Sutil          Force India-Mercedes  1m26.550s  + 2.685   23
 6.  Vitaly Petrov         Renault               1m26.625s  + 2.760   20
 7.  Fernando Alonso       Ferrari               1m26.647s  + 2.782   20
 8.  Felipe Massa          Ferrari               1m26.676s  + 2.811   24
 9.  Sergio Perez          Sauber-Ferrari        1m26.694s  + 2.829   28
10.  Jaime Alguersuari     Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m26.696s  + 2.831   15
11.  Michael Schumacher    Mercedes              1m26.699s  + 2.834   21
12.  Nico Hulkenberg       Force India-Mercedes  1m26.826s  + 2.961   21
13.  Rubens Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth     1m26.836s  + 2.971   25
14.  Kamui Kobayashi       Sauber-Ferrari        1m26.996s  + 3.131   29
15.  Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Cosworth     1m27.365s  + 3.500   25
16.  Bruno Senna           Renault               1m27.385s  + 3.520   23
17.  Sebastien Buemi       Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m27.433s  + 3.568   25
18.  Nico Rosberg          Mercedes              1m27.492s  + 3.627   24
19.  Heikki Kovalainen     Lotus-Renault         1m29.539s  + 5.674   10
20.  Karun Chandhok        Lotus-Renault         1m30.148s  + 6.283   19
21.  Daniel Ricciardo      HRT-Cosworth          1m30.609s  + 6.744   27
22.  Tonio Liuzzi          HRT-Cosworth          1m30.619s  + 6.754   24
23.  Timo Glock            Virgin-Cosworth       1m31.052s  + 7.187   12
24.  Jerome D'Ambrosio     Virgin-Cosworth       1m31.899s  + 8.034   22

 

[howler]

Wow, Lewis smashed that one!

 

[Glaucus]

Nice to see mclaren 1+2, but we've seen that before. RBR always seem to dial their engines down in practice more than anyone else. Or turn them up to 102% in qauli.

 

[utajoker]

Can anyone at a computer post a pix of mclaren wing and one of the skinny ones?

Thanks.

 

[sunama]

Yep. Qualifying is where RBR are at their best. Also, Vettel normally raises his game for Q3.

If Hamilton can get on the front row and apply constant pressure to Vettel (even if Vettel is leading), Vettel may break. Hamilton's problem has been the sheer number of collisions and incidents that he gets himself involved in. What this means is that he just isn't able to apply race-long, constant pressure to Vettel.

 

[Shimmy]

Nice to see mclaren 1+2, but we've seen that before. RBR always seem to dial their engines down in practice more than anyone else. Or turn them up to 102% in qauli.

Yup, also the Renault engine isn't lacking as it may have been 2 seasons ago. Petrov was the fastest in FP1 at 347km/h!

FP2 should be more relevant as teams will run the soft tyre at some point and do a few low fuel runs. Many teams will also be putting in a new engine at some point this weekend.

 

[utajoker]

Yup, also the Renault engine isn't lacking as it may have been 2 seasons ago. Petrov was the fastest in FP1 at 347km/h!

215mph!

 

[Duke]

Can anyone at a computer post a pix of mclaren wing and one of the skinny ones?

Thanks.

Can't find any photos online at the moment, should be some up later though.

 

[deuse]

lol at 5 live commentators.."lewis is slow on softs" can't they see he is not using his DRS!!

 

[Glaucus]

Here're I forgot about fp2.

40seconds left grrrr

 

[tummelv]

Anyone notice that loads of cars are oversteering on the entry to parabolica?

 

[Mr Jack]

So... Vettel fastest in P2 but fails to match Hamilton's P1 time. Looking good for the McLarens so far.

 

[Duke]

Practice 2 results

[b]Pos  Driver                Team                  Time              Laps[/b]
 1.  Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault      1m24.010s           37
 2.  Lewis Hamilton        McLaren-Mercedes      1m24.046s  + 0.036  21
 3.  Michael Schumacher    Mercedes              1m24.347s  + 0.337  39
 4.  Felipe Massa          Ferrari               1m24.366s  + 0.356  33
 5.  Fernando Alonso       Ferrari               1m24.433s  + 0.423  31
 6.  Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault      1m24.468s  + 0.458  32
 7.  Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes      1m24.508s  + 0.498  30
 8.  Sergio Perez          Sauber-Ferrari        1m25.097s  + 1.087  39
 9.  Kamui Kobayashi       Sauber-Ferrari        1m25.182s  + 1.172  37
10.  Bruno Senna           Renault               1m25.325s  + 1.315  38
11.  Vitaly Petrov         Renault               1m25.450s  + 1.440  31
12.  Adrian Sutil          Force India-Mercedes  1m25.496s  + 1.486  39
13.  Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes  1m25.683s  + 1.673  37
14.  Jaime Alguersuari     Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m25.758s  + 1.748  29
15.  Rubens Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth     1m26.202s  + 2.192  36
16.  Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Cosworth     1m26.353s  + 2.343  40
17.  Sebastien Buemi       Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m28.347s  + 4.337   5
18.  Jarno Trulli           Lotus-Renault        1m28.559s  + 4.549  32
19.  Heikki Kovalainen     Lotus-Renault         1m28.605s  + 4.595  32
20.  Timo Glock            Virgin-Cosworth       1m28.804s  + 4.794  25
21.  Tonio Liuzzi          HRT-Cosworth          1m29.162s  + 5.152  34
22.  Nico Rosberg          Mercedes              1m29.184s  + 5.174  29
23.  Jerome D'Ambrosio     Virgin-Cosworth       1m29.622s  + 5.612  34
24.  Daniel Ricciardo      HRT-Cosworth          1m29.841s  + 5.831   7

Photos from practice sessions - http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/09/09/2011-italian-grand-prix-practice-pictures/

 

[Duke]

Anyone notice that loads of cars are oversteering on the entry to parabolica?

Yep, big time.

 

[tummelv]

Any ideas why it's so bad?

Lack of downforce from the skinny wings? I haven't seen much oversteer apart from there.

 

[Glaucus]

Oh dear.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/09/09/whitmarsh-confirms-tax-dispute-could-threaten-indian-gp/

Basically India what to tax the teams year revenue and drivers wages and the team director can be held personally responsible for the sum to be paid. What a shamble.

Why is nothing in f1 sorted out before agreements are in place.

 

[Duke]

Any ideas why it's so bad?

Lack of downforce from the skinny wings? I haven't seen much oversteer apart from there.

The tracked looked a little green so think it was partly that. See how they go in P3

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Oh dear.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/09/09/whitmarsh-confirms-tax-dispute-could-threaten-indian-gp/

Basically India what to tax the teams year revenue and drivers wages and the team director can be held personally responsible for the sum to be paid. What a shamble.

Why is nothing in f1 sorted out before agreements are in place.

Only in F1

 

[Shimmy]

Looking at the times between FP1 and FP2 it looks like the softer tyre is worth 1-1.2s per lap over the hard. Ferrari seem to be struggling with the hard tyre again, I think I heard they are using the pre Silverstone suspension setup again (as they did in Spa).

By the looks of it McLaren ran a slightly higher fuel load in FP2 than they did in FP1.