Man, that doesn't sound very good for a place where the average property sells for over £500k and isn't in the centre of London. It also seems hugely disadvantaged over the average of the rest of the UK, must suck to have to lose out on QoL like a drive way or parking space with such expensive housing.
It's funny how (fuel shortages)
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Man, that doesn't sound very good for a place where the average property sells for over £500k and isn't in the centre of London. It also seems hugely disadvantaged over the average of the rest of the UK, must suck to have to lose out on QoL like a drive way or parking space with such expensive housing.
Around my way about 90% of houses have off street parking. It’s only the really historical streets or central streets that don’t and most of those don’t even have on street parking either (narrow streets, double yellows everywhere etc.).
The research into this seems to suggest around 70% of drivers have off street parking, the number is around 60% if you include all households but it’s not entirely relevant if they don’t own a vehicle.
At the end of the day £40k almost gets you a Model 3 which is a premium car and isn’t really that out of whack with a 3 series or A4 with a similar specification, especially if it’s a hybrid/PHEV. It’s certainly not for everyone and there is far cheaper out there.
No one should be spending £40k on a 2008, EV or not, that’s nuts.
The research into this seems to suggest around 70% of drivers have off street parking, the number is around 60% if you include all households but it’s not entirely relevant if they don’t own a vehicle.
At the end of the day £40k almost gets you a Model 3 which is a premium car and isn’t really that out of whack with a 3 series or A4 with a similar specification, especially if it’s a hybrid/PHEV. It’s certainly not for everyone and there is far cheaper out there.
No one should be spending £40k on a 2008, EV or not, that’s nuts.
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It's similar where i am, you have a lot of old expensive Victorian properties (£4/500k terraces) with (non-dedicated) on-street parking and even a lot of the new builds going up outside of town don't include driveways or dedicated parking.
It's massively subjective as there will be plenty of people that couldn't give a monkeys to a driveway or dedicated parking space (bit pointless as not all can cater for a charging points).
I'm not even talking about charging points I didn't mention them at all. I mean things like when you have babies in prams and pushchairs and you have to lug all the crap half way along the street, or doing your weekly food shop and having to walk backwards and forwards umpteen times, especially in inclement weather.
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Different priorities clearly but cost also plays a massive factor into this; here with the new builds (bloody awful things), a driveway easily adds nearly £70-100k which is absolutely insane.
Yep the prices are nuts. I bought the 3008SUV 1.6D automatic in 2017 with optional extras (ie LED lights) for less than that. Does long distance/large car loads, the beat up 1.2l Matiz does the short runs. Only reason I sold the 12+y/o Focus Mk2 was it was starting to rust (£900 private sale). This one was one of the first in the UK is definitely a French one. Costs £20/year in road tax. At the time I looked at Audi, BMW, Toyota, etc etc all ended up 40+K on the road.
I can get a return journey to the French inlaws on a tank of diesel at 130km/h. Gutless at that speed with a load, Peugeot took my point about needing 1 more gear and +30Nm/HP into the next generation.
The Reason for price hike on all new fuel + EV cars is Car manufacturers are saying they are recovering from Covid19 plus the resources are low to build new cars, soon the used cars sales will rise too!
Why wait for 10 years! You can buy an small EV car for £16k VW e-Up! (Second generation) it dose 124miles it came out in 2021 or SEAT e-Mii Electric same price but with a 135miles range that came out in 2020. The New higher spec Peugeot is GT premium 3008 is £28,690 - £46,745 and Used price £11,670 - £37,740 1.2-litre petrol, 1.5-litre diesel and hybrid engines. GT/premium 2008 £22,300 - £31,200 1.2-litre petrol, GT/premium EV £33,265 - £38,415 there is no 40k on E-2008 that I have seen. The Volvo SUV C40, Cost £44,800 New 2022
The number of EV cars sold
https://heycar.co.uk/blog/electric-cars-statistics-and-projections
EV cars that came out in 2020 -21
1. VW ID.3 Pure, Cost: £25,000
2. Peugeot e-208, Cost: from £26,025
3. Vauxhall Corsa-e, Cost: £26,640
4. Skoda CITIGOe iV, Cost: £15,000
5. MG ZS EV, Cost £28,495
6. Aiways U5, Cost £28,000
7. Fiat 500e, Cost £19,995
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The same that currently happens with an ICE car, when an engine replacement outweighs the cost of the car.
The difference being - a used BEV battery still contains many thousands of pounds of raw materials.
I'll wave at you whilst you're standing in a petrol station, in the cold, holding a COVID infested pipe into your car, as I re-charge from the comfort of my house, or whilst sleeping
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I'll wave at you whilst you're standing in a petrol station, in the cold, holding a COVID infested pipe into your car, as I re-charge from the comfort of my house, or whilst sleeping
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"Historical housing" well there plenty of that in this town its only the 'burbs that that have off street parking and not everyone lives in houses either. Theres a tiny car park round the back of these buildings but not everyone has a space and theres nowhere to plug in without putting in dedicated units and thats going to be a major expense and turn the place into a building site
I'll wave at you whilst you're standing in a petrol station, in the cold, holding a COVID infested pipe into your car, as I re-charge from the comfort of my house, or whilst sleeping
Will that be a similar wave as I give you whilst you're sat miserably waiting for 1-2hours in the motorway services waiting to add another 30 miles to your range, as I go sailing by in my 500+ mile ranged ICE car that took all of 10 mins to fill up?
BEV isnt' the future, never was & this insistence in them is only delaying a proper solution that's been a sound idea since the 1970s at least.
If you’re waiting to charge an EV then you are doing it wrong!!
I’m 18 months into EV ownership and I’ve never been sat waiting for a charge to finish. It’s in progress whilst I’m doing other stuff - mostly refreshment & comfort breaks or sleeping.
Also, 500+ mile range - how often are you driving that far in one day?
Basically, from your post I can see you spend more time waiting to fill up then I spend waiting to charge.
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If any motorway services have any of these plugs: A Type 2 plug is Approx. 75 miles range per 30 mins of charging, CHAdeMO plug Approx. 85 miles range per 30 mins of charging Rapid, Combined Charging System (CCS) plug Approx. 85-200 miles range per 30 mins of charging.
I'm new EV but I haven't seen any 1-2hour wait the longest I taken a break is 35mins
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They aren't banning ICE cars from being on the road, you just can't buy a brand new one from that date... Even in 2040, ICE cars will likely still be around as they.will only be 10 years old.
It only what I read, here is a better understanding https://www.driving.co.uk/car-clinic/advice/2030-petrol-diesel-car-ban-12-things-need-know/
Point 4 refers to 2nd hand ICE cars which can be sold after 2030.
1 to 2 hours to get 30 miles on your range, what are you on. There are down sides to EV but you're just spouting rubbish
I could drive my EV all day only stopping for food/comfort breaks and getting exactly the charge needed during that time, but most days I set out with all the range i need and it costs me a fraction what it used to cost me to run my M240.
I could drive my EV all day only stopping for food/comfort breaks and getting exactly the charge needed during that time, but most days I set out with all the range i need and it costs me a fraction what it used to cost me to run my M240.
If government sees more cheaper sales of EV who knows what the deadline will be for fuel cars!
There is no definitive deadline for fuel cars, the reasoning behind only banning new fuel car sales is that the vast majority will have been crashed or be un-economical to repair/run/fuel by 2050 which is the net zero target.