It's funny how (fuel shortages)

I would 100% have an EV but we haven't got the ability to charge it at home and we can't afford to drop the £30k+ on one.

Pretty sure that is the position that most people are in which is why the EV revolution will take a while to get going.
 
Sorry to rain on your 'I'm green as I drive an EV' parade, but you'll need to do up to 68k miles before an EV will break even with the same model ICE equivalent.

That's from a study by Volvo who already have EV models, based on building an XC40 from the same plant EV vs ICE drive train.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/news/petrol-or-electric-which-is-actually-greenest

I'm not anti-EV, but let's not forget EVs have downsides ranging from increased CO² during production to the pressures put on other natural resources such as water for filtering lithium.

Probably best not to be I'm holier than thou if you have any private self powered vehicle.
The vw ev factory get their power from austria so it's renewable/solar/wind powered.
 
The vw ev factory get their power from austria so it's renewable/solar/wind powered.

That doesn't mean anything. It's the battery production that is the killer.

Even VW themselves show that the tCO² produced to create an ID.3, with a tiny 62kWh battery is twice that of a petrol powered Golf.
 
At the end of the day buying a new item is far far worse for the environment than using what you've already got. ICE cars, electric cars, laptops, mobile phones, appliances... All the same. Energy consumption is borderline irrelevant if you are going to keep buying new things constantly.
 
At the end of the day buying a new item is far far worse for the environment than using what you've already got. ICE cars, electric cars, laptops, mobile phones, appliances... All the same. Energy consumption is borderline irrelevant if you are going to keep buying new things constantly.

Its all about pushing the responsibility onto someone else though. Has been for a long time. Thats why we have terms like carbon footprint and why the responsibility is on us to recycle. Lets ignore the fact that 50% of the plastics I get are not recyclable or the packaging is 3x bigger than it needs to be. My favourite is "not currently recyclable". Or ever. Its not like they are stock piling this somewhere ready for if/when we can. Its landfill and its landfill because they don't want to pay the cost to use a material that is friendlier to the environment.

Electric cars are the future but lets not pretend that you aren't adding a massive amount of CO2 by buying a new car over using an older one already produced.

Its unlikely to get better though because western society is based on massive consumption and constant growth. The sums don't add up if we are not all constantly buying crap we don't need.
 
Like electric cars that we're being forced into?

It very much makes sense to transition to electric cars over the coming years but plenty of people have perfectly serviceable ICE cars that they don't want to and can't afford to replace. New cars should all be transitioning to electric but trying to kill all ICE cars isn't the best policy IMO.
 
Diesel gone up to 152.9 at my local tesco, sure it was like 149.9 yday or day before also shouldve filled up then:mad::mad:

I don't get comments like this....... why should have you fllled up then, did you need to or does your car have a fuel tank comparable to a 787 so you wanted to fill up to save several thousand pounds ? Say your fuel tank has around 60l capacity which for a domestic car is pretty decent, even if your tank was bone dry you are talking about an extra £1.80. If you are a lorry driver then it makes sense as it would have been a considerable saving. FIlling up when you don't need to is exactly what lead to the mental situation last year with forecourts running dry.
 
Yep people panic buy driving up the demand then pricing goes up, prob quicker than it normally would and then people get mad when the price goes up.

Its stupid when I'm in a fuel station and people complain about the price increase and they put in £5-10 or some car that drinks fuel.

Remember when people where ready to protest/riot when fuel hit 120-130 years ago.
 
It isn't an advert, it's an article about a report from a car manufacturer that produces EVs and who happens to call Sweden, one of the most environmentally responsibie cultures in the world, home. Small downsides? If you wish to bury your head in the sand, that's your perogative. It's hypocritical of people to claim they're greener than others because they drive an EV when their carbon foot print in the short term is higher, and let's not mention the fact they're probably still happy to partake in high carbon footprint activities such as having children, flying and eating meat. Of course there are benefits of EVs such as cleaner air where they're used, but nobody can claim to be green when they have their own personal vehicle.

I have read a lot of EV reviews/information way before we wanted an EV car, the problem was charging it at night leaving it out side my home plug in the wall after read some news about thieves steal EV cables and sale them on ebay or cutting up the cables for copper, not what I wanted to hear, I will added the link here https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money...s-new-target-electric-cars-charger-cable.html I just think the government didn't think this though enough when you buy an EV you still need electric to charge it that mean more power plants need to be built in the future not good for the Earth unless the energy companies turn to solar panels, and more wind farms because I drive an EV car everything is green the answer is no I don't have the money for solar panels yet but I will get them, so having an EV what have I done for Earth! Only three good things IMO is cutting CO2 on the roads, saving money on fuel, and parking in green air zones, the green zones have been popping up in my city and charging fuel cars for parking this ideal will turn into a nightmare for others, the main problem is stupid people with phones and headphones not looking around because they won't hear and EV coming. No good teaching the stupid.
 
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I just think the government didn't think this though enough
Of course they didn't.

Not everyone has a dedicated parking space or driveway outside their house where they can charge an EV. I don't know the actual statistics but I suspect far more properties simply don't physically have any way they can charge a car. With the relatively small range of electric vehicles and the limited charging facilities, I think it's absolutely ridiculous.
 
I would 100% have an EV but we haven't got the ability to charge it at home and we can't afford to drop the £30k+ on one. Pretty sure that is the position that most people are in which is why the EV revolution will take a while to get going.
You don't need a top of the range model if you're in a budget I went for the Peugeot GT premium 2008 and I had to pay extra for the red paint not cheap
 
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Then I wave at you when you're parked up at a charging point, 250 miles later when I've used about half a tank.
mine only dose 214miles, and yes I will have to wait in the coffee shop for 30mins but I'm not in any rush:)

Of course they didn't. Not everyone has a dedicated parking space or driveway outside their house where they can charge an EV. I don't know the actual statistics but I suspect far more properties simply don't physically have any way they can charge a car. With the relatively small range of electric vehicles and the limited charging facilities, I think it's absolutely ridiculous.
In my city there's only 8 charging points and Tesco's is free for three hours and have only two charging points, if that was taken well there will be queuing up if you live in a terraced houses the pavement will be the problem as well when Charging the car I have a garage but car is too big to fit in it so it sits on the driveway.
 
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You don't need a top of the range model if you're in a budget I went for the Peugeot GT premium 2008 I had to pay extra for the red paint not cheap

Nothing to do with EV, and excuse my humble brag, but I bought my wife a brand new red petrol Peugeot GT premium 2008 4 years back, and when we walked into the dealer’s showroom the sales manager recognised my wife.
It turned out that his dad was my wife’s dad’s cousin, the upshot was that he knocked four grand off for a cash sale.
 
You don't need a top of the range model if you're in a budget I went for the Peugeot GT premium 2008 and I had to pay extra for the red paint not cheap
That's still a near £40k car and £10k more expensive than the petrol model. Nothing budget about it, apart from the electrics... It is French after all :p :D
 
Nothing to do with EV, and excuse my humble brag, but I bought my wife a brand new red petrol Peugeot GT premium 2008 4 years back, and when we walked into the dealer’s showroom the sales manager recognised my wife.
It turned out that his dad was my wife’s dad’s cousin, the upshot was that he knocked four grand off for a cash sale.
4 years back was the GTLine 2008 then it change it name to GT premium on the new range in 2021-22
 
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That's still a near £40k car and £10k more expensive than the petrol model. Nothing budget about it, apart from the electrics... It is French after all :p :D
What! £40K sorry no way would I pay that. Peugeot cars are built in three countries not only France. 2008 GT PREMIUM 1.2L PURETECH 155 EAT8 from 31K if you now buy a peugeot it will cost you extra for paint, fuel engines cost more now so best to stick with you old car:)
 
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