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I've just watched the Premier League Champions elect at Anfield
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But we're playing the best football in the universe and are the most amazing team since football was invented. We're going to win every game 79-0 and win the quadraquintriplet! I read it in the Sun, it must be true!
On a serious note though, surely it's just as impossible to say "this team isn't as good as our old ones" as it is to say we're going to win the title? It's all still speculation at the moment. If we really did have our best ever season, surely your opinion would change then?
Maybe. Well actually, yeah, if it was the 'best ever season' then I would. If it was simply winning the league with <90pts then I'm not sure.
I think we play arguably better attacking football as a team than we did in 97-98, even if the individual talent level was maybe slightly lower.
I was far more confident of us winning things in 2002-3 (when all we got was the FA Cup) than I am now. Or in other words I think we are in a fragile position, like I said earlier we haven't won a single league match outside London yet and the true tests are yet to come. We need to build up a points lead over the other big boys because if you look towards the business end of the season we have a nightmare run of fixtures:
Chelsea Away
Bolton Away
Liverpool
Man Utd Away
Those are not pretty games for Arsenal all in a row (barring any cup matches that might sneak in, who knows, maybe a trip to the Nou Camp or San Siro?) so I am certainly not getting complacent at this stage like I was 5 years ago when we were playing better football and annihilating all comers (until we lost 4 in a row).
I think we play arguably better attacking football as a team than we did in 97-98, even if the individual talent level was maybe slightly lower.
I was far more confident of us winning things in 2002-3 (when all we got was the FA Cup) than I am now. Or in other words I think we are in a fragile position, like I said earlier we haven't won a single league match outside London yet and the true tests are yet to come. We need to build up a points lead over the other big boys because if you look towards the business end of the season we have a nightmare run of fixtures:
Chelsea Away
Bolton Away
Liverpool
Man Utd Away
Those are not pretty games for Arsenal all in a row (barring any cup matches that might sneak in, who knows, maybe a trip to the Nou Camp or San Siro?) so I am certainly not getting complacent at this stage like I was 5 years ago when we were playing better football and annihilating all comers (until we lost 4 in a row).
Soldato
hehe sorry but i LOL'd at that!
Why is it funny? Yes I know that's the aim of the game
Arsenal have certainly showed they can score goals, Adebayor being second in the Premierships highest goal scorer and how many they sank past Man City.
United, 16 in last four games.
Defensively, I believe United have let in some weak goals and I don't think Arsenal have experienced such a fast and experienced forward play that United have in the Premiership this season. I hope there will be plenty of goals, should be an exciting game.
If they were that good, why didnt they roll us over, considering this is the worst we have played for a while.
They play the same old Wenger total football, to me,to you, to me, to you.They still havent got that killer instinct that the mancs and chelski mob have.United look particularly good with that attractive pairing upfront, tevez and Rooney are really starting to click.I think Arsenal will finish second, and will challenge strongly, but i think they are a season or two away from being the best team in the land.
They play the same old Wenger total football, to me,to you, to me, to you.They still havent got that killer instinct that the mancs and chelski mob have.United look particularly good with that attractive pairing upfront, tevez and Rooney are really starting to click.I think Arsenal will finish second, and will challenge strongly, but i think they are a season or two away from being the best team in the land.
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errm, actually is was two fairly poor, but understandble open goal misses from bendtner and fabregas that stopped it being 3-0, we also played adebayour who is fairly useless and proved it again today doing almost nothing. hleb also did nothing and as a "supporting striker" was rarely ever just behind the striker, and we put in a lot of crosses to only ade in the box, despite hleb being around he just did not make a single run into the box for a cross not one in the entire game. if we played two upfront, maybe eduardo and bendtner/walcott we could have done far better.
even in the champs league, the one goal adebayour was involved in, and got the assist on he completely messes up the pass to him, it was simple as hell and he fluffed it, but a lucky drop after it bounced off the defender led to him passing on to fabregas for his 2nd. that was his ONLY contribution for the entire game.
of course the season is 38 games long. but had it not been for, well two open goal misses, and Lehman's howler against blackburn which even a 10 yr old kid would have saved, then we'd be a game in hand and 4 points clear of Man U.
we've had gallas available for few games, vp's out for a bit and missed another game or so. rosicky's been injured, walcott was out for a few, hleb i think wasn't out for one game. we've had our fair share out already, but thankfully nothing to fabregas. VAn persie is on the same quality level as fabregas, as is toure, gallas, sagna has been absolutely brilliant, clichy is great too. i still feel gilberto is much better defensively, but less good going forwards than flamini. diaby is absolutely brilliant on the wing, and another player we've had injured.
we've got a world class squad right now, with the exceptiosn of ade and hleb, the only differences to vieira, henry, pires, ljunberg and bergkamp is they aren't all over 30, so haven't been established as the worlds best players as they haven't spent 3-4 seasons at the top and everyone knows their name, that doesn't make them worse players.
VP is already better than bergkamp ever was, he's a better finisher, he gets more assists and he's faster, stronger and just as creative and just as capable of the amazing bits of football and he's got 10 years left to get better.
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no, eduardo is world class. he scores in basically every international, against every class of team, best and worst in the world consistantly. his only real appearance this year was against derby, came on and got 2 assists. other subs have been shorter and in games we'd killed off completely and slowed down.
the game the other day, against bolton(ok other week) adebayour could have got 3-4 goals off fantastic layoffs, headers and throughballs from eduardo but ade messed up all the chances, 1 or 2 were very simply tap in's. put eduardo in with someone who can consistantly finish and we'll see him starting most games, getting 10-15 goals and 10-15 assists. he just hasn't had a chance.
though i'm still half of the mind we should have bought anelka back, though theres bad blood, he's just perfect for the front end of this attack. but you'll see in the next 6 months once he gets more games that he'll be a firm favourite at arsenal.
Wow, you really don't have a clue. It's hard to take you seriously now.
The fact you also call Eduardo "World Class" is also very amusing.
Cant belive this thread is still going, BK is about 10 times better than VP but VP and he could be as good as BK maybe better when he hits peak age.
Arsenal are young and have built a great team, I would even say they are better than the mid 90s Man United team, if they can play well now they can easily build another year or two and be hungry for titles like the Beckhams/Sholes/Nevilles/Butts where.
Arsenal are young and have built a great team, I would even say they are better than the mid 90s Man United team, if they can play well now they can easily build another year or two and be hungry for titles like the Beckhams/Sholes/Nevilles/Butts where.
Eduardo has shown absolutely nothing to be considered world class, he looks like he has decent movement but other than that has been pretty poor. I'll give him a season to get used to the prem before being overly critical though.
erm, i think you'd possibly need to let them actually win something before making that claim to be honest. not 10 games into a season.
Soldato
Thats like saying David Hiller was a better player than Cesc Fabergas will ever be.
Stupid!!
How can you make a sweeping statment like that?
I'm sure even the best football pundit couldn't have predicted the next few years Henry would have, on the basis of his performances for Juventus.
Yet Van Persie will never be 'on that level'? I agree that Bergkamp was a quality footballer (although a dirty git) and that Van Persie isn't at that level, but to write off a player with as much ability as Van Persie has, at his age, under Arsene Wenger's wing (of all people!) is just madness.
Soldato
To be fair Bergkamp is perhaps Arsenals greatest ever player, our first ever truly (and still bar Overmars) World Class signing. RvP is a good player, and could hit those heights but he has a very tough act to follow.
I never rated Overmars that highly myself, but on Bergkamp you're talking of one of the finest players of the modern generation in the WORLD. Not just in the Premiership.
Bergkamp was very much in the group of World Class players. It's a term that is banded about FAR too easily these days. You could argue there are ~5 World Class players playing in the Premiership now (Ronaldo, Drogba, Cech...) it's quite tough...
But Bergkamp is a legend and in the best 5 strikers to ever play in the Premiership (Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Henry and Nistelrooy).
Bergkamp was very much in the group of World Class players. It's a term that is banded about FAR too easily these days. You could argue there are ~5 World Class players playing in the Premiership now (Ronaldo, Drogba, Cech...) it's quite tough...
But Bergkamp is a legend and in the best 5 strikers to ever play in the Premiership (Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Henry and Nistelrooy).