Jack Straw has the right idea!

VIRII said:
Typical rubbish from the pro muslim lobby.
Embrace Islam or be called a racist.
Disagree with Islam = you're a racist.

Weak like all your posts and insulting as well. Say it to my face one day boy.
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What a load of tosh.

Are going to beat him up with your keyboard?
 
Locrian said:
I just want to point out that is absolutely rubbish. Mohammed disagreed with it and what exists today is purely cultural not religious.
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Enlighten me.

VIRII said:
Why people who believe that nonsense choose to live here and expect everyone else to facilitate such beliefs.
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What an irrational comment . .

VIRII said:
That is right and if he chooses to force the females in his family to wear the veil he is free to chose to do that, shame the women don't get the same voice.
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Ignorance is bliss. Again with the whole CBS notion of females are oppressed. :rolleyes:
 
deadeyedic30 said:
If our liberal ways are not to thier liking, then Iraq and Afghanistan are in need of boosting the Islamic population. Or there's always Sudan, or Iran, Saudi Arabi. That are of a more traditional ilk.
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Be as liberal as you want, no one's stopping you, are they?
 
deadeyedic30 said:
I hope that cop gets a written warning for failure to do his job. Any normal person knows that serving in the police or military will involve work that you disagree with or find distasteful. If you don't want to do the job, don't waste my taxes by joining up.
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Stop moaning. I know i'd rather moan about dolers who refuse to contribute to society. He just wishes not to help those that murder his families.
 
going back to the inital story, I would like to know how many people you have actually spoken to in your entire life that have been wearing a veil.

I am a muslim myself and have never in 30 years spoken to anyone wearing a veil, yes there are a few that do in this country, but my god they are so scarce its not even worth mentioning. Who cares if they wear a bloddy veil, would you ask a christian to remove their crucifix, or a sikh to remove his turban.

I am a liberal muslim but it just seems this whole world is now hell bent on bashing every muslim for the unjust actions of a select few.
 
aumz said:
going back to the inital story, I would like to know how many people you have actually spoken to in your entire life that have been wearing a veil.

I am a muslim myself and have never in 30 years spoken to anyone wearing a veil, yes there are a few that do in this country, but my god they are so scarce its not even worth mentioning. Who cares if they wear a bloddy veil, would you ask a christian to remove their crucifix, or a sikh to remove his turban.

I am a liberal muslim but it just seems this whole world is now hell bent on bashing every muslim for the unjust actions of a select few.
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It is not an issue because the person is a muslim. It is an issue because the persons face is covered up! It doesnt matter if they were Catholic, Prodestant, buddhist, Christian or a memeber of the Donuld Duck Foot Worshipping cult, it is the fact that people cover thier faces up in a society that likes to see who is walking next to them, who is sitting next to them, someone who is talking to them, etc etc. A lot of Muslims come to this country and get a lot of support from the government with money, homes, jobs etc. It is about time the muslim population realised that if you want to live here then you have to 'fit in' with our way of life, maybe not 100% but maybe meet us half way? If we went to live in Saudi we would have to abide by the rules of that country, period!

A christians Crucifix or a sikh's Turban do not cover thier faces!!! Is a full veil a symbol of the Islamic faith? No! Is it a rule that the woman has to cover her face 99%? No! It is an old cultural thing, brought from a country that sees it as the norm into a society that doesn't. Especially with what has been happening since Osama Binliner started his idiotic antics and preachings!

If anything, the Muslim society of this country should be trying to help the world catch that idiot and his moron Extremists to make sure this world can live together in peace.
 
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/puts flameproof jacket on

I have to say in all fairness Saffy222 did make a lot of valid points. As he is a muslim, I believe we should hear what he has to say as I agree, muslim bashing is out of control now :)

What concerns me is that Iraq and Afghanistan were fought on a lot of media hype, is this not history repeating itself? :confused:
 
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It's got nothing to do with being Muslim, anyone wearing a mask are making communiction uncomfortable. 58% of communication is body language.

Ok, so Muslim women who wear veils have been highlighted as an example - but who else do you see masking their faces apart from Wacko Jacko and his kids?

Yet another reason for Muslims to throw their toys out of a pram.
 
Skyfire said:
/puts flameproof jacket on

I have to say in all fairness Saffy222 did make a lot of valid points. As he is a muslim, I believe we should hear what he has to say as I agree, muslim bashing is out of control now :)
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I don't agree. He was being sensationalist and had let the situation and some of the comments go to his head. I could sense that he'd mashed the keyboard in a rage, else why the caps?

Lets break it down to make it easier.

1. Yes, Muslims can wear what they want, as can anyone else. However, a point made elsewhere is that people don't often cover their face up as a matter of course. Speaking out against it isn't being against Islam it is being against antisocial behavior and against non-conformance to our society's ways. In the current climate, and especially following the government plea to muslim parents to watch their children so they do not grow into extremists, having something as extreme as all-over headwear isn't a good example to set.

2. There are rules in the UK as regards attire, but they are very, very lenient and tolerant. Taking advantage of these to a point is fine. Doing so to the detriment of society is not.

3. Jack Straw's constituency is Blackburn. In case you weren't aware Blackburn has a large muslim community making up a large bulk of voters. If Jack Straw didn't feel strongly about the point he has made then he wouldn't have made it public, and he certainly wouldn't have done it from a racist standpoint. To allude to prejudice in this context shows Saffy's absolute lack of any kind of argument.

4. 'could not give a toss what the UK thinks about muslims'. This is a massive part of the problem. If muslims did care more about the opinion of their fellow man, and the projection of their people onto others, maybe the problem wouldn't be as huge as it is. The apathy shown in not caring is simply one more symptom of the wider problems encountered.

5. Talking about respect in his post is laughable, he's shown a flagrant disregard to non-muslims and Jack Straw in his post, what right to respect does he have?
 
Gilly said:
I don't agree. He was being sensationalist and had let the situation and some of the comments go to his head. I could sense that he'd mashed the keyboard in a rage, else why the caps?

Lets break it down to make it easier.

1. Yes, Muslims can wear what they want, as can anyone else. However, a point made elsewhere is that people don't often cover their face up as a matter of course. Speaking out against it isn't being against Islam it is being against antisocial behavior and against non-conformance to our society's ways. In the current climate, and especially following the government plea to muslim parents to watch their children so they do not grow into extremists, having something as extreme as all-over headwear isn't a good example to set.

2. There are rules in the UK as regards attire, but they are very, very lenient and tolerant. Taking advantage of these to a point is fine. Doing so to the detriment of society is not.

3. Jack Straw's constituency is Blackburn. In case you weren't aware Blackburn has a large muslim community making up a large bulk of voters. If Jack Straw didn't feel strongly about the point he has made then he wouldn't have made it public, and he certainly wouldn't have done it from a racist standpoint. To allude to prejudice in this context shows Saffy's absolute lack of any kind of argument.

4. 'could not give a toss what the UK thinks about muslims'. This is a massive part of the problem. If muslims did care more about the opinion of their fellow man, and the projection of their people onto others, maybe the problem wouldn't be as huge as it is. The apathy shown in not caring is simply one more symptom of the wider problems encountered.

5. Talking about respect in his post is laughable, he's shown a flagrant disregard to non-muslims and Jack Straw in his post, what right to respect does he have?
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I am sure he was just expressing his fraustration at the all singing and all dancing media which seeks to sensationalise all muslims to their own disgusting ends :)

I live 8 miles from Blackburn so am fully aware of what a muslim is better than most. I'm sure if Mr Straw says he expects all muslim to wear white shoes and to carry a cruxifix everytime muslims enter his office then we would be have the same debate. This is a free country for a reason :)
 
You said he made valid points. I don't think he did. I know he was expressing frustration. it was at people here rather than the media though. Unfortunately (for him) he couldn't do it within the rules.

I live in Dewsbury, I also know what constitutes a Muslim and how integration is sorely lacking in the main.
 
im half italian and half welsh and demand the total dominance of italian cuisine over british food, to hell with your boil in the bag traditions, one day you will all eat meat balls.
 
locutus12 said:
im half italian and half welsh and demand the total dominance of italian cuisine over british food, to hell with your boil in the bag traditions, one day you will all eat meat balls.
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Sounds good to me :D :D :D
 
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