Jack Straw has the right idea!

I'm surprised non-muslim extremists haven't taken advantage of this face mask thing and committed attrocities in the name of islam - its not like the muslims will be able to prove otherwise.

Covering your face during a demonstration in New York is illegal, because they scan crowds looking for troublemakers. Covering your face when you enter a bank is a pretty good indicator that you are going to rob the place. In fact, covering the face is usually associated with shame, insecurity, lying, all the negative attributes that you'd want to avoid. Things like masks at parties eventually become removed because it is a sign of disassociation.

And the "oh, blokes will start raping" thing is pathetic, quite frankly. Some sociopaths, having committed rape, use the excuse "but she was asking for it", but 99.9% of blokes are perfectly capable of seeing women scantily clad and containing themselves. It is an insult to men at large to for women to have to cover up to protect themselves.

Unless, what islam is trying to say, is that muslim males are neanderthals. A snide comment might be that this explains a lot, but tbh there is 99.99999% similarity in DNA between every human in the world, the main differences are cultural. And I suspect that because muslim males are never taught to respect women, therein lies the vulnerability.
 
@if ®afiq said:
Do you now? Can you explain that to me as I'm a Muslim male and am curious how you reached this conclusion.

Probably because in the vast majority of Muslim countries women have fewer priveleges than men, based on both religious and through cultural roots

>| Raoh |<
 
@if ®afiq said:
Do you now? Can you explain that to me as I'm a Muslim male and am curious how you reached this conclusion.

If you respect women then why do you require them to cover up so that you aren't tempted to rape them - I think that is what he is getting at. Afterall you wouldn't do something like that to a person that you repsected would you?
 
VIRII said:
If you respect women then why do you require them to cover up so that you aren't tempted to rape them - I think that is what he is getting at. Afterall you wouldn't do something like that to a person that you repsected would you?

Have you read the story about that bloke who ran over that woman in that BMW and left her and carried on to the wedding the next day?

What a waste

>| Raoh |<
 
VIRII said:
If you respect women then why do you require them to cover up so that you aren't tempted to rape them - I think that is what he is getting at. Afterall you wouldn't do something like that to a person that you repsected would you?

You lot make me laugh with all your generalisations. I have never forced any women to dress up in order for her not to get raped, nor has anyone in my family. Maybe you should speak to my female friends to find out how I treat them rather than assume all Muslim's are the same.
 
@if ®afiq said:
You lot make me laugh with all your generalisations. I have never forced any women to dress up in order for her not to get raped, nor has anyone in my family. Maybe you should speak to my female friends to find out how I treat them rather than assume all Muslim's are the same.

So tell me @if, will you beat your wife if she is 'disobedient'? If not, is it okay if others should?
 
cleanbluesky said:
So tell me @if, will you beat your wife if she is 'disobedient'? If not, is it okay if others should?

Your definition of "beat" is totally different to what it says in the Qur'an - I therefore won't answer a question that has been distorted to fit your agenda.
 
@if ®afiq said:
Your definition of "beat" is totally different to what it says in the Qur'an - I therefore won't answer a question that has been distorted to fit your agenda.

So the answer is 'yes' then, given that you do not know what my definition of 'beat' is...

So would you use a stick? How disobedient does your wife have to be? May I beat your wife?
 
RaohNS said:
Have you read the story about that bloke who ran over that woman in that BMW and left her and carried on to the wedding the next day?

What a waste

>| Raoh |<

In the rented BMW? Yes I have.
 
@if ®afiq said:
You lot make me laugh with all your generalisations. I have never forced any women to dress up in order for her not to get raped, nor has anyone in my family. Maybe you should speak to my female friends to find out how I treat them rather than assume all Muslim's are the same.

I am merely paraphrasing what the poster posted as you seemed to be unable to understand his point.
I have not, nor did the other poster, suggest in any way that you "forced" anyone to do anything.

Tell me again why Islam requires women to dress modestly? Something to do with men and lust wasn't it?
 
cleanbluesky said:
So the answer is 'yes' then, given that you do not know what my definition of 'beat' is...

So would you use a stick? How disobedient does your wife have to be? May I beat your wife?
Broken record on loop?

Enlighten us purlease . . What is the Islamic ruling on this so called 'beating'.

I'm no scholar then again I aint no kafir. But I damn know for sure, that there is no beating as such. A miswak (toothbrush) is used to tap the wife to let them know you're not happy with them. If that's called beating . . well har har :rolleyes: :)

The miswak if the extreme way of letting them know you're unhappy. Nub.
 
dark_shadow said:
Broken record on loop?

Enlighten us purlease . . What is the Islamic ruling on this so called 'beating'.

I'm no scholar then again I aint no kafir. But I damn know for sure, that there is no beating as such. A miswak (toothbrush) is used to tap the wife to let them know you're not happy with them. If that's called beating . . well har har :rolleyes: :)

The miswak if the extreme way of letting them know you're unhappy. Nub.

So you symbolically beat the wife, why? What does it mean exactly? Is she allowed to "tap" you in the same way?
 
dark_shadow said:
I'm no scholar then again I aint no kafir. But I damn know for sure, that there is no beating as such. A miswak (toothbrush) is used to tap the wife to let them know you're not happy with them. If that's called beating . . well har har :rolleyes: :)

:eek: isnt that the way to train dogs :eek:
 
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