Jack Straw has the right idea!

http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm

Usual disclaimer for the PC liberal elite: I am not a memeber of the BNP (although from reading dmpoole posts he seems to be a nice enough bloke :) ), actually a member of the lib dems but i am growing unsatisfied everyday with them. :eek:


EDIT: I do not know why I had to write that disclaimer, shows the PC pressure upon us all, such as "I am not a racist but....."
 
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Gilly said:
You're right it isn't. You don't have to have a passport to be English you just have to be born here.
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That would make you british. A scotsman born in England will happily remind you that he is infact scottish because his ancestors were scottish.
 
PaulStat said:
That's pretty presumptious, do you have first hand experience of how accepting people are to other cultures in Islamic countries, or are you basing this on what you've heard in the media.
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I have first hand experience of Morocco and the remainder of my knowledge is based on discussions with people I have worked and lived with from places as far afield as Saudi and Bahrain.

What do you base your assumptions on?
 
Van_Dammesque said:
http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm

Usual disclaimer for the PC liberal elite: I am not a memeber of the BNP (although from reading dmpoole posts he seems to be a nice enough bloke :) ), actually a member of the lib dems but i am growing unsatisfied everyday with them. :eek:


EDIT: I do not know why I had to write that disclaimer, shows the PC pressure upon us all, such as "I am not a racist but....."
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Cheers mate... just wanting proof unfortunately i canae read it.. as its against network policies and i'd be lit up like a B-29 in a raid on Japan 1943

>| Raoh |<
 
weebull said:
Originally Posted by weeble
The whole arguement is not about race, but about the CULTURAL differences between the Muslim and Christianity faiths.
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not really. its about the differences between muslim culture and western culture.

if you went to a muslim country, you would respect their "culture", which has a religious base. therefore, if you had to take your shoes off to enter certain buildings, then in all likeliness you would take your shoes off, as opposed to suing them for descrimination.

the western culture has a base in religion, but is also upon other customs which have become the norm in our society. handshakes, business dress, etc have all become part of our culture, and are arguably as important to us, as the culture which has become common in other countries.

so what is it about these muslims who believe that their culture is more important, or righteous than ours? they have chosen to uproot and move into another culture, and yet are not willing to make their sacrifices in order to fit in and allow our country to move forward. reducing the features which made it attractive for them to move here in the first place.
 
VIRII said:
Muslims here state that we shouldn't worry about women wearing viels, "what's the big deal it is just a few people".

I wonder if they would support people in Islamic countries walking around in bikinis or drinking alcohol? After all what is the problem it is just a few people and it is NOT affecting anyone else is it?

Yet I very much doubt that they'd take the same liberal viewpoint in those circumstances. Blatant hypocrisy....
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That just about sums up my view.

They want what they think is right but they would not allow our way of life in there country.
 
VIRII said:
I have first hand experience of Morocco and the remainder of my knowledge is based on discussions with people I have worked and lived with from places as far afield as Saudi and Bahrain.

What do you base your assumptions on?
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My assumption that you were being presumptious? :p

tbh I didn't expect you to come back with that, apologies. Although admitedly it sounds like some of your knowledge is second hand.
 
Nickg said:
not really. its about the differences between muslim culture and western culture.

if you went to a muslim country, you would respect their "culture", which has a religious base. therefore, if you had to take your shoes off to enter certain buildings, then in all likeliness you would take your shoes off, as opposed to suing them for descrimination.

the western culture has a base in religion, but is also upon other customs which have become the norm in our society. handshakes, business dress, etc have all become part of our culture, and are arguably as important to us, as the culture which has become common in other countries.

so what is it about these muslims who believe that their culture is more important, or righteous than ours? they have chosen to uproot and move into another culture, and yet are not willing to make their sacrifices in order to fit in and allow our country to move forward. reducing the features which made it attractive for them to move here in the first place.
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I could not agree more, even if I tried really really hard...

Its a simple matter of respect and tolerance.

These people expect these things from us, but refuse to reciprocate.
 
Why do Muslim women have to wear a headscarf ? - Why does Islam want them to cover their hair ?

I'm just waiting for Lakeside to ban Muslim headressess the same as they banned hoodies.
 
WIBSBOT said:
Why do Muslim women have to wear a headscarf ? - Why does Islam want them to cover their hair ?
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From what I understand from muslims who post and links I have read, and I hope if I am wrong I will be corrected:
It was added to the Koran about 300-500 years AFTER the prophet mohammed wrote about allah (i.e. putting aside theology arguements, it was a man made construct). Its purpose is to "moderately" dress woman, i.e. de-gender them, particulalry their shape and hair.

IMO: Which can be interpreted as all men are powerless if they see a bit of flesh, cannot control themselves and so commit a "sin" of sex outside marriage. Or to put it another way men are all rapists and so women must cover themsleves to prevent men behaving like beasts.

I'm just waiting for Lakeside to ban Muslim headressess the same as they banned hoodies.
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That would be racist (a sarcastic expression for the beneift of Shackley :p ).
Seriously though it would not happen because of the pandering of the state toward muslims and causing (not necessarly the muslims themselves) tension between "communtities". Now if they were to ask that question toward a muslim dressed in a burka outfit, can you imagine the response of the "muslim communities"?
 
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