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The HD7970 is supposedly 20% to 30% faster than a GTX580:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1606403&postcount=1355
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1606403&postcount=1355
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January 9 Launch Date for AMD Radeon HD 7900
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Thats still around 35% to 45% faster than an HD6970 and its based on a totally new architecture too. On top of this the card looks like it will consume less power than an HD6970. This means the dual GPU HD7000 card is going to be even faster when compared to an HD6990.
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NVIDIA will take longer but will most probably come out with a card with a nice big boost in perf. So I'm gonna wait for one of those.
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Is a quad GTX580 SLI something you can actually really improve on if you're running at 1080p on large TV's? I'd have thought you'd be topping out at 100FPS+ in most everything. If you were running 2560x1600 multi monitor I could understand it though...
That build is fictitious and if it wasn't 3x(1920x1080)@3D/120Hz is more demanding than 3x(2560x1600)@2D/60Hz
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Absolute rubbish, along with everything else you say.
Says the guy with tourettes
It's simple arithmetic:
(3 * 2 560 * 1 600) / (3 * 1 920 * 1 080) = 1.97530864
So it's a little less than double the number of pixels for the 1600p three screens over the 1080p three screens.
Now, for 3D the 1080p will need double the frame rates. So that is already slightly more demanding for the 3D (i.e.1.97530864 / 2 = 0.98765432 which is slightly less than 1)
And then add to it the fps loss coming from mandatory VSync for 1080 3D surround. So it ends up being a little bit more demanding than 2D 1600p surround.
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dude just seen your system specs! WOW pics please
It's not real.
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... yea and this time they will probably make the spark and fumes a feature rather than a fault
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this will be a soft launch (e.g. card available for review), product won't be on the shelves (particularly in the UK) for a few months after
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Also I thought this might be worth mentioning.
Got this off the "EPIC ATI 6970 DEAL: MSI Twin FrozR III 6970 ONLY £269.99 Inc. VAT " thread...
£500 seems a bit much, or is it about right? what do you guys think?
Those thinking don't buy, the 7970 will be here soon, well yes it will but the price, well nearly double the price of this card, so new card or not the 6970 at this price is a great buy and stunning value.
Got this off the "EPIC ATI 6970 DEAL: MSI Twin FrozR III 6970 ONLY £269.99 Inc. VAT " thread...
£500 seems a bit much, or is it about right? what do you guys think?
This is wrong, cards are supposedly on their way to OCUK very soon, although limited stock.
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Stock will be available in decent quantity in Jan, simple as that and I'd bet on a few cards being available in December, personally I don't want to dump money on a 7970 full stop, without knowing the 7950 price. Really simple for me, if a 7950 is 10-15% slower, but anywhere from 20%+ cheaper, then its simply better value, assuming a good deal of the lower performance is clock speed, you clock it back up and you've got a much much better value card.
As for particularly in the UK, the UK actually tends to be a fairly big market, we often get better treatment and stock than most of Europe, the UK/US both often get very good stock vs population compared to basically all other companies in the world. If anywhere gets semi decent stock levels it will be the UK and US.
As for huge stock, no, firstly why would there be, and secondly, who cares.
THe 5850 had low stock on launch, I got one when I wanted, for below RRP and it was easy to find stock for all but around 2 weeks from launch to pretty much 4-5 months later. There wasn't "massive" stock of 6950/70's on launch, though much better, demand was decent, still managed to find and get one delivered very shortly after launch for, below RRP.
Cost, people need to stop banging on about cost, I'm in no way having a go at Gibbo or calling him crap, AT ALL but AMD, Nvidia, just about all companies with stock of old product and heavy competition play games with prices. Gibbo was flat out convinced the 6970 would be £350+ on launch, why, because that is what distributors were charging him, that is fair enough, and before launch AMD put a price drop through the channel. Its FAR from rare for that to happen. If we'll see a decent price drop before Jan 9th though and 7950's, who knows.
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Nope, that seems about right.
If AMD come up with the world's fastest GPU they will want paying for it. It's a new model so they'll want paying for that too. If it's faster than a 580 they'll know it, and they'll want paying for that too.
*sigh* seems I was right again. I mean, why wouldn't I be? I only base my opinions on 30 years of experience.
Ain't no such thing as a free lunch, money talks and BS runs the marathon.
Better get your credit cards out and start swiping.
Expect them to ship a few by years end so they can they put that in the quarter/year end report. It has been a fairly terrible few months for AMD- BD been awful, Globalfoundries been unable to fab Llano's with decent yields, next years 28nm APU's been canned because Globalfoundries are... well rubbish at what they do! So AMD need some good news and it seems that news will be that they were the first company to ship 28nm products.