January Transfer Window 2010/2011 Season Rumours/Signings

Confed cup he was useless(USA beat them, USA are good but not that good, its a rubbish cup and they got beaten by the first half decent team, Ramires was decent in the confed cup for comparison, also utterly rubbish at the moment), and he was largely poo for most of his world cup games, had one pretty damn good game, but just as you can get an assist when playing badly, you can get sent off for entirely nothing at all. He also wasn't the TOP assist maker, he was joint top assist maker, with 4 other players, with 3 assists.

Skippi, I don't mind that you're trying to sign a top striker, theres nothing wrong with that, but Chelsea knew they could get Torres, Liverpool knew they could get Carroll. Chelsea/Liverpool didn't run around trying to sign every striker available, clearly they could both afford anyone that Spurs had gone for.

The main issue is, they bid on just about everyone in the last day, its just amateur hour stuff from Harry. He should have identified a target MONTHS ago and tapped him up just like he usually does(and everyone else) and found the right target. He's been complaining for months, he's been ignoring Pav for 2 years, he's choosing to play Crouch, he's complaining about strikers yet he didn't have a no.1 target ready to go from Jan 1st?

Aguero isn't going to leave a club he loves, for a club that with 25minutes to go puts in a big bid, who haven't convinced him of their long term ambition. Chelsea don't need to convince Torres of their ambition, sorry but Spurs, struggling along behind a rubbish Chelsea to try and stay in the champs league really really do. A last minute bid for a top player from anything but an established top 4 club would almost never happen, Spurs really did look daft bidding like that.

had they gone to Athletico early in the month, gotten permission and shared their plan for a 80k seater stadium, becoming a top 4 team and pushing on for the title, I can see plenty of decent strikers being persuaded to go to Spurs. They way Harry did it, no, not least because for instance by going after Forlan, he's going to feel like the 28th choice and all they could get, look at Spurs, realise that champs league next year is unlikely, winning the league isn't likely and hold out for a move to a top 4 club in summer.
 
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Psycho Sonny said:
why couldn't they wait until the summer?

in the summer that 35m plus an extra 10m or so would have gotten them a world class midfielder and a world class striker, not a unproven striker with a very good season.

he may prove himself to be worth it, but its a huge punt that im guessing nobody else would have taken, not even man city.
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Cough, Kaka, you can buy yourself a world class proven player, and they can still be rubbish, thats life. As for why they had to buy now, that should be pretty obvious, Suarez does briliantly and scores 35 goals before the end of the season, they should get a Europa spot easy, worth 20mil or so for a really good run, Suarez does badly and doesn't adapt or gets injured, they could easily miss out on Europe, they'd have a harder time attracting top players in summer, they'd have lost 20million in Europa cup winnings/tv money/tickets/etc and they wouldn't have saved much money at all, if any.
 
Tombstone said:
Not having a replacement number 9 would have been potentially disastrous for the second half of the season, selling Torres and not replacing would quite likely not only done damage on the pitch but off the pitch also. Whilst I , like many people , think the fee was high, I also think Carroll is a very good player, a feeling seemingly shared by many premier league managers. What he may achieve over the coming years we cannot say but I'm happy to have him in the team.
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they got suarez did they not?

im sure suarez and ngog would have been fine or even suarez and gerrard.

what is the difference in prize money for finishing 6 and 7th? i reckon they would have been fine with just suarez and got 6/7th quite easily. carroll just assures them 6th but no more i reckon, but anything can happen.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
they got suarez did they not?

im sure suarez and ngog would have been fine or even suarez and gerrard.

what is the difference in prize money for finishing 6 and 7th? i reckon they would have been fine with just suarez and got 6/7th quite easily. carroll just assures them 6th but no more i reckon, but anything can happen.
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Suarez is not really a number 9, he isn't a Target man in the way that an out and out number 9 is, he was bought to compliment the main striker not replace one. He will grab goals, of that I have no doubt, but not like a Target man would. Should he get injured in that time we would have been left with just ngog. At this point I think Liverpool can quite feasibly finish as high as 5th. Results go the right way tomorrow and they are only 3 pts off 5th.

6th / 7th is all very good and well, not much difference in direct monies, but neither of those positions guarantees you European football and the monies from that, next season. 5th does guarantee you European football.
 
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Its half a mil per place in the league, however, they most certainly aren't assured Europa spot with just Suarez, no one knows if he'll be the next Kezman or the next Bergkamp, its frequently goes the wrong way(Kuyt) from the dutch league. Even if he is great, he could get injured, or simply play badly for 6 months. The difference between Europa spot and not, is 20mil or so, though that doesn't reflect things like negotiating shirt deals, and other sponsorship which is heavily effected by who and where you are seen on tv.

Same thing goes for players, City not in Champs league space, give Toure 250k a week to go there, Utd get Toure in, competing for everything when he signs, he'd have signed for a "normal" wage. They'd pay more in summer if for the same players if they missed out on Europe and some players just wouldn't sign for someone that far down the league.

They still aren't assured of anything, anyone can get injured, the defence is rubbish, they've won a couple games, only one somewhat convincingly, were very lucky against Fulham, and teams around them have strengthed massively aswell. Two teams behind them are 2 points behind with a game in hand, a couple bad results will push them into the bottom half again quite easily. Personally I don't think they would have an issue, but remember, Torres goals not included they've struggled badly.

Resting it all on one player whose never played in this league before and isn't an out and out striker remember, is madness.

LIke I've said though, I'd have gone for Trezeguet, proven scorer, would have cost 3-4mil max, is bang on form at the moment, and exactly the kind of finisher they'd need. Carroll wouldnt' cost more than 35mil in a year or two either, and his potential would be less "potential" and more "fact" at that point.
 
Tombstone said:
At this point I think Liverpool can quite feasibly finish as high as 5th. Results go the right way tomorrow and they are only 3 pts off 5th.
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Which is occupied by Tottenham who would have two games in hand.

I can see it's certainly possible, but I don't think it's as likely as you're making out. As I've said above, Tottenham would have the two games in hand, but if you look over the fixtures of the involved clubs then you can see that Liverpool have a far tougher run-in to the end of the season than the other clubs do.

I can count about six fixtures that Liverpool have against clubs that are in the top seven at the moment, and three each for both Spuds and Sundireland.

Livermule will have to take some big scalps on the way if they want to finish fifth.
 
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Tombstone said:
At this point I think Liverpool can quite feasibly finish as high as 5th. Results go the right way tomorrow and they are only 3 pts off 5th.
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I have to admit I'm genuinely surprised by that. After the Woy thing I don't think I was the only one who had completely written you off to middle of the table! Still relies on a good run of form and Spurs loosing a couple but that's nothing like as bad as it seemed.

Edit: Spurs have a game in hand. Still, not guaranteed points by any stretch.
 
guyfawkes5 said:
Which is occupied by Tottenham who have two games in hand.

I can see it's certainly possible, but I don't think it's as likely as you're making out. As I've said above, Tottenham have the two games in hand, but if you look over the fixtures of the involved clubs then you can see that Liverpool have a far tougher run-in to the end of the season than the other clubs do.

I can count about six fixtures that Liverpool have against clubs that are in the top seven at the moment, and three each for both Spuds and Sundireland.

Livermule will have to take some big scalps on the way if they want to finish fifth.
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Tottenham only have one game in hand? Sure you're not looking at Sunderland instead of Liverpool?
 
guyfawkes5 said:
Which is occupied by Tottenham who have two games in hand.

I can see it's certainly possible, but I don't think it's as likely as you're making out. As I've said above, Tottenham have the two games in hand, but if you look over the fixtures of the involved clubs then you can see that Liverpool have a far tougher run-in to the end of the season than the other clubs do.

I can count about six fixtures that Liverpool have against clubs that are in the top seven at the moment, and three each for both Spuds and Sundireland.

Livermule will have to take some big scalps on the way if they want to finish fifth.
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1 game in hand I thought, not 2. I didn't say it was likely, I said it was feasible.
 
Whoops, meant that in the case of Liverpool winning their game tomorrow as Tombstone described, but I left out the 'would'.

Cheers for the catch.
 
Adrianr said:
I see what you're saying, but it doesn't really explain 'Arrys approach to the transfer window. Surely he didn't think the Van Der Vaart poach approach was going to work for everybody?

Where you say about Levy investing appropriately and generously to bring the quality of your attack up, do you mean they already have, or they should have done this window?
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More that they were prepared to. Lets be honest, did anyone expect Spurs to be bidding over £30m for one player? :eek: :p
 
due to how the league works then i guess paying an extra £20m on top for carroll wil even itself out. though you could look the other way and say that 35m coupled with say another 15m could have gotten them a whole new spine in the summer.

david luiz to chelsea seems to be a very smart signing. chelsea look to be buying in young fresh talent now.

luiz, ramires, torres is a young spine compared to what they had last year. i know you guys dont rate ramires, but look at lucas after a year or two. ramires has much greater potential.
 
skippi90 said:
More that they were prepared to. Lets be honest, did anyone expect Spurs to be bidding over £30m for one player? :eek: :p
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Since the second Redknapp was installed I've been waiting for the absolutely insane bids/transfers to start, Pienaar might have cost a little but has big wages and was 100% unrequired, Niko is a MUCH better player and can't even get a game, Bentley is probably better and can't get a game, and both are likely on lower wages due to lack of "chelsea" competition when signing.

Spurs are potentially 9 points ahead if they win that game in hand, Liverpool have had a couple good games, but they haven't been great, they've been attrocious away from home and have a lot of places I'd expect them to lose rather than pick up a point or two.

They've also got some very tough home games, I'd be very surprised if Spurs dropped more points than Liverpool before the end of the season.

Liverpool's biggest help this season could be Sunderland losing Bent and Newcastle losing Carroll ;)
 
Well actually yes 'assuming' as the statement following it said you'd only be two points off fifth in that case which is what I was originally refering to

(By the way, do you see how I left out a full stop there? Now you can nit-pick that too and further pull discussion away from the bleak prospects of not even being able to see your team on the glitzy Thursday night line-up of Channel Five ;))
 
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