January Transfer Window 2010/2011 Season Rumours/Signings

[DanH84]

Indeed, if Blackpool think he is the difference between relegation and survival then he is worth a lot more than that.

Agreed, he tore us a new one for 50 minutes.

 

[DanH84]

First half he was very impressive, 2nd half he was useless though.

The transfer fee will be influenced by Blackpool's financial situation also though. They're far from a rich club and Adam's only got 18 months left on his deal, can they afford to turn down a ~£6m bid if it came their way?

It depends if they think he could be the difference between staying up or relegation. Would they get much less for him if they sold him in the summer?

 

[DanH84]

I would love it. Never going to happen though :/

 

[DanH84]

He won't be playing any Defensive Midfielders either I imagine.


Tom84 I don't doubt we can get players, I just don't think we'll be going for one of that calibre in January.

 

[DanH84]

Its called the Subs bench
Well that's odd, because there isn't one, you must be getting mixed up.


There's 'No value in the market' ?

Because the squad we've already got is doing a good enough job already of making a mockery of the crap your **** have managed to assemble for 300 odd million.

 

[DanH84]

it wouldn't matter if Torres cost 20m-24m or 30mill he was still a bargain for them. It was all the other crap they bought that was the issue.

35mill is about right for Torres imo simply due to uncertainty over his fitness.

 

[DanH84]

Yep, didn't have money to **** about on players and only 2-3 big signings, pity we never got first choice targets.

shouldn't have wasted the money on crap really but what's done is done and it'd take the thread off topic.

 

[DanH84]

I'm pretty certain you'd want more than that for Rooney and since signing for us, Torres and Rooney's injury records are more or less the same.

Their strike rates aren't the same though

Nor are their trophy hauls.

Yes I'd want more for Rooney but I wouldn't expect it to be Ronaldo type money. You also have to look at the realities of the situation. I think summer is a vital transfer window for you in order to show some ability to get back into champions league contention or else £35mill might start to look a bit tasty.

 

[DanH84]

Doubt they'd cash in on 35mil on Torres if they want to actually do something, unless they bought us at a cheap price, asset strip and sell on, doubt that's happening and I expect proper investment with the players who have been disappointing on huge wages out, cole being the first, unless he turns it around now.

I don't doubt they want to improve you. However it will be for them to weigh up how best to get the squad in the CL again as without that revenue stream things will be very tricky for you. It might be that in vpnvert with the manager they view selling someone for x amount of cash (Torres in this instance) when coupled with the money they were already going to invest would leave you with a stronger squad overall. Suppose for a minute you got £35mill for him, signed Suarez for £20million and then with the money they were already going to invest you still had £50million left over to sign others to strengthen. It's at least worthy of consideration.

 

[DanH84]

Our situation counts for nothing providing he's still regarded as a world class player and the demand there is for his services is still there. Unlike other clubs, we're under no pressure to sell him to service debt anymore.

I agree that the likelyhood of keeping hold of him will be determined by the next 2 transfer windows but I can't see that affecting his transfer fee.

well if these ffp regulations come into force and work there's the pressure. The lack of income from CL tv and prize money will negatively impact your ability to sign players.

It'd be for the owners to decide whether the money they could get for him could be better used elsewhere in the squad.

All hypotheticals though and if you keep him on then good luck to you, if you sell him then fair enough and hopefully it'll strengthen your squad in the long run.

 

[DanH84]

Apparently Torres has said that his preferred destination is Man United weakening Chelsea's hand a little. That's the word on the street.

 

[DanH84]

Not really stirring, he's a good number 2 an hasn't let us down but sadly not quite good enough for the number 1 spot.

 

[DanH84]

So in the paper today United are linked with:

Charile Adam
Alex Chamberlain
Jordon Hendersen
De Gae

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest they are all rubbish.

I'm going to go with if we sign Charlie Adam to replace Scholes I'm jumping off the nearest multi storey (not that I don't think he could do a job for some teams) Henderson is someone whom I've never really seen all the hype about but tbh I've not exactly watched him much. I'd take the other two though, Chamberlain purely on hype and purported potential though.

 

[DanH84]

From guillem balagues blog. Make of it what you will but it should be an interesting day or so. I personally see a retraction and pay rise by tomorrow.

The 'agent put it in without Torres being fully aware' is just to make people feel a little better about themselves, it's obviously a nonsense but it's easier to blame it on an ogre of an agent than to accept that a player you love wants out. United had similar with Rooney and Stretford, yes, agents might be ***** but the players know exactly what they are doing. The agent is an easy person to deflect blame to and tbh it seems that as long as they continue getting paid they don't really care.

 

[DanH84]

It's the kind of job where I think you need to be a bit of a **** to be honest.

 

[DanH84]

Andy sodding Carroll...

 

[DanH84]

God it's nice not to have to be dragged into all this crap.

 

[DanH84]

Ahh come on. Transfer deadline days aren't the same if your club aren't involved in any deals.

That's my point. It's so much more chilled when you aren't involved and some of the fees being bandied around are bloody ridiculous.

 

[DanH84]

yup we've dropped the least points of all the teams.

 

[DanH84]

No, they made an 68.6mil loss, cash positive will just mean physicall the cash that came in was more than the money that went out in the calender year.

IE, they spent 50mil this year on Torres, but that cost is amortized over say a 5 year contract. The cash leaves today, this year, at 50mil, but each year its counted on the books as a 10mil loss. So in 5 years time they can make a "loss" of 10mil due to a player transfer, have incoming money of say 50million, and wages of 45million.

That would leave you with 5mil positive cashflow, but a 5mil loss on the books.

I'm not entirely sure why its done that way but there you go.

Of the 68.6mil loss, 70.9mil was transfer fee's from previous transfers.

When those transfers are done they'd have been 2.3mil in profit for the year(and have circa 70mil positive cash balance).

The uefa fair play rules take into account loss/profit though, NOT positive cash flow.

Remember Utd have something silly like 140mil in the bank as "cash" from sales of players, they then pay for players from a different account.

not quite, you're right about the amortization of fees but United's purchases are drawn down from the 170-180million in the main account. The reason you see a loss on the United accounts is due to accounting practices largely such as amortized goodwill (approx 40mill/year for next decade) and none redeemable exchange rate coupons, those aren't counted by uefa for purposes of ffp. However obviously the 40m year interest/player purchases/wages, and any one off costs associated with the bond would be.

You're quite right though that if Chelseas losses were due to wages/transfers then yes ffp will take that into account over the next few years so Chelsea must have some plans to change things up/trim squad further at some point soon.