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I think it's been proven that Rooney playing with a player who wants operates in the same areas of the pitch as him doesn't work. The year with signed Tevez was the year Ronaldo scored 42 goals he did that because for the majority of games Rooney was shunted out on the left hand side with Tevez playing behind Ronaldo. Rooney and Berbatov has never worked as a partnership either.

Suarez may have a better all round game to the likes of Hernandez but as a partnership Chicharito is much more suited to playing with Rooney.
 
There were plenty of games where Tevez and Rooney played as a front 2 and you didn't do too badly. Owen is more suited to playing with Rooney than Suarez is also, doesn't mean the team will be better off that way though.
 
Always thought rooney did well last season while breaking in Hernandez and given that he missed a month or so fitness wise.

Im sure if chicharito and him were able to play consistantly together they would only improve as a partnership more and more

to be fair its also the case that Utd's crosses havent been brillaint in a lot of games recently (and with him playing a lot in midfield also hasnt helped)

Hope that little whinger rots in argentina
 
I don't think Hernandez should start he offers nothing outside the 6 yard box, he's like a small, white, Darren Bent.
 
Indeed, he should be a 60/65 min sub against tiring legs. Him and Rooney have basically no partnership what so ever this season.

The last time someone suggested that, he started the next two EPL games and scored in both before the 20 minute mark (and it was the winner in both)

Bit unfair to suggest the latter when Chicharito hasnt started every game, Rooney hasnt played consistantly in the same position, and teh whole squad has struggled (as written about everywhere) - without even considering 2nd season syndrome

He is also scoring on average every other game (although off the top of my head Im not sure how many of the other 4 goals were scored as a sub)
 
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Totally agree Frank, we've been totally disjointed up front so far this season due to injuries to all 3 of Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez at varying times. Hernandez especially shouldn't be judged on this season so far not when he and Rooney played so well together last season
 
Getting the best out of him and him improving a side are different things. Suarez is at his best in a free role behind a striker but he'd certainly improve Arsenal's side in place Gervinho and Walcott (who doesn't just hug the touch line).

Again, whether Suarez is at his best there, he'd be an improvement on what you've got up front. Any Suarez/Rooney partnership, which ever way around you play them is better than any partnership you can put out now. Suarez is better than Rooney anyway :p

You're making a lot of assumptions there. Would RVP score as much if Suarez blasts wide instead of ever setting him up?

Some players are great, and refuse to pass, take all the chances.

Suarez MIGHT improve Arsenal, Arsenal MIGHT get worse with him.

This is my point, Liverpool have Suarez, how many players are shinning in the squad with him there? Its impossible to say, he might be making Downing and Henderson look better than they are, maybe he is shooting badly rather than laying it off and making them look bad.

Basically your logic would suggest, without question that a team picking up Veron could only improve, same goes for a team buying Torres, or Kaka, etc, etc.
 
Yes it's an assumption DM but a pretty safe one imo. Would you be against saying Messi would make Arsenal a better team? After all, he might lose his spine when he joins your lot :p
 
Yes it's an assumption DM but a pretty safe one imo. Would you be against saying Messi would make Arsenal a better team? After all, he might lose his spine when he joins your lot :p

The difference there is, I've seen Messi win things, in a team that wins, with him both scoring and assisting a lot.

I've not seen Suarez do that, that's kind of the whole point. Half this forum and most if not all the Liverpool supporters rated Torres as the best striker in the world before he left. By just going on what they are doing at their current club, you could have made the assumption that there is no way Chelsea could play worse with Torres playing for them?

What about Kaka, widely rated, people laughed at City for trying to get such a good player, he went to Real as the worlds second most expensive player I believe, and has been an absolute flop.

Being great in a single team, doesn't mean you'll do brilliantly with a different group of players. We've all seen Messi play enough to know there are few better.

The number of effective looking players, who even look like they might be great, but never end up scoring a lot, never end up winning, never really gel with any team and no team ever really looks great with them........ well, lets just say there are more of them than there are of Messi's.

Individual ability, doesn't always translate into effective for the team.

The simple fact is, for all Suarez's possession, for all his shots, for all his passing and work...... I see very little end product.


Well he's managing it with Gervinho at the moment.

Tap in.

If Gervinho got the ball more, if we played down the left more and he held on to it even more, would RVP score as many? Now if we buy Suarez, and he plays down the left, and he holds the ball more and shoots a lot without scoring rather than passing/crossing to RVP...... who knows what would happen.

Thing is, I don't think Arsenal are very good, just in reality, the whole league is turd so coming closish to 4th shouldn't have ever been a problem, 4th or higher is an entirely different matter. Improving Arsenal should be easy and I can see Suarez doing it, but I can also see the possibility he won't work well with RVP, and likes to be the main man so much, and spends so much of his game complaining and peeing everyone off that despite his talent, he's just not very effective.

When you look up both who Theo and Gervinho have scored and assisted against, its NOT a good record, though Theo's 2 league goals are against decent opposition it was in the two most retarded games of our season. consolation against Utd and with Evra playing that wasn't hard , and just an epically ridiculous game against Chelsea, who were so abysmal as to be laughable.

Basically with Suarez I'm not convinced he isn't a player who does better as a big fish in a small pond, likes to have all the ball, hogs it, shoots too much and teams will rarely do great with him.
 
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I quite like Pogba, I hope given the midfield "problems" Manchester United have he can get maybe a run of games.
 
I know he has a good reputation, but I've seen nothing really good from him in any of the first team games he's played. :(
 
BBC rumour page suggested that Pogba might be considering a Bosman move to Inter.

yeah - there have been rumours for the last few weeks he has refused all offers from Utd unfortunately, so looks like he will end up in Italy (unless these snippets about City /Arsenal are actually true)

Pity really - I think he deserved a few senior sub appearances (even if its for 5 - 10 minutes at the end of a game) so he gets used to playing infront of the huge crowds he doesnt seem to be used to just yet.

both Morrison and Pogba havent really shone in games they have been played in this season, but I believe the talent is definitely there from all the things being said by junior coaches at OT
 
Didn't Rooney have his best season ever when he played right up front? You could easily play Suarez through the middle and Rooney just off him anyway.




Splitting hairs? Your post genuinely read to me as a direct comparison between the strengths of the different sides forward lines.

Anyway, are you saying Suarez couldn't play in Walcott or Gervinho's position and Arsenal wouldn't be stronger for it?

Also (on paper) a 4-2-3-1 with Suarez off RvP would make Arsenal a far better side than their current side.

I don't know if I'd put Suarez in our team at the moment, purely because it'd be forcing the issue, Gervinho and Walcott fit our gameplan perfectly this season. Suarez may be a good wide man and a good provider but he wouldn't exactly be anybodys first choice to replace Gervinho or Walcott, I don't think that's his natural position. Also would he want to be chasing back to his own box like Walcott and Gervinho have done all season?

Also Suarez wouldn't work off RvP, we play with 3 CM's who interchange between CDM/CM/CAM seamlessly, can't really imagine Suarez filling in for Song at CDM when he goes forward like Arteta/Ramsey do ..

We only really have room for one striker in our starting XI, the rest are hard working midfielders (even Walcott has got his act together!) and that's why we've been more solid this season than before

Also, all due respect but you over rate Suarez, which is fair enough as you're allowed your opinion, but you should know it
 
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Totally agree Frank, we've been totally disjointed up front so far this season due to injuries to all 3 of Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez at varying times. Hernandez especially shouldn't be judged on this season so far not when he and Rooney played so well together last season

I think hernandez is a good striker but not a top striker, definetly no world beater. He rely's on his pace and movement so much, which is better than most strikers out there. I don't think hes good enough to start up front week in and week out
 
If Pogba was to move away it would be simply foolish. It's been rumoured for absolutely months though, and strongly suggested its his agent causing a stir - IIRC someone on Caf found the article which said his contract is to 2013 at least.

He has been with the club two years and if he thinks he should be playing first team football consistently he's mad.
 
It's the right attitude to have, you want every player who isn't playing to be annoyed, players who are happy to sit on the bench are never a good sign. Though you've got to question why these young players keep going to places like Man Utd, instead of starting somewhere smaller and then going to a big club at 22/23, but obviously Man Utd can offer double the cash.
 
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