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Andybtsn said:
Liverpool should buy him back :D
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I'd take him back. He's had a terrible 12 months but he's still young enough to get back to his best and even if he only gets back to 50% of what he was, he'd still be one of the best strikers around.

We need a striker too and him and Suarez could be devastating.

Oh and a lot was made about the similarities between the Dalglish side of the late 80's to the one he's buidling now; well Dalglish also brought Rush back from Juve.

It won't happen though :p
 
Harry in 20mil bid for Tevez, is the story going around, and AC suggested an English club were in for him as well as them and PSG. Spurs can't offer the wages PSG can though, not even close so that will be interesting. Would be great if he went to Spurs and helped them take points off city or truly god damned amazing if Tevez helped them win the title....... that might be the funniest thing to ever happen in the premier league actually :p

This from Redknapp who declared he should be banned from the league forever, run out of england and probably mentioned something about shooting right after the "refused to play" scandal, then 2 weeks after that was saying he'd have Tevez at Spurs in a heartbeat.
 
Can't see him taking the wage drop but I'd love him at Arsenal, we'd have to change our shape though and I can't see that happening. I think he'd do well though if he came. There's no way Roman would sell him back to Liverpool at a 30m reduction, he'd look about as stupid as anybody in football history. A 30 million 1 year loan
 
Is it any more likely that they'd sell him to anybody else for a £30m loss in 1 year? On the basis that these reports are true, the only reason why they wouldn't sell him to Liverpool would be because they didn't want to sell him to a rival. That would rule out any other side in the Premier League too.

I can't help but think the story is bs anyway. Anelka's leaving in January and Drogba's off to the ACoN; unless they're going to sign at least 2 first team strikers in January, they're not going to be selling Torres then.
 
No, there's no way it'd be £20m if it was to a team in England, £30m at least, I doubt they'd sell him in January either, far too soon, he deserves at least this season to prove himself. I do think they'd sell to a rival though, whether Spurs/Arsenal/City/whoever would pay is unlikely though
 
Best striker isn't necessarily the best for a team, I was thinking the other day, is Suarez really that good, or does he hog the ball, miss a lot of chances and stop the team scoring well.

Suarez might look good but last year, 4 goals in 55 shots, this season 5 goals in 69 shots, and Liverpool are seemingly scoring pretty badly as a team. Sometimes you have a striker where he will look great but the team just doesn't "work".

I can't see any team wanting to spend £30 mil on Torres, when you really look at his record, his first season at Liverpool is the only season he's broken 30 goals, he's only had one other potentially great season with 18 goals in 20 league games, but when you look at the goals, aside from Utd the majority of those goals are against very weak teams, you can't assume that had he played almost double the league games he'd have scored twice as many. UCL/Europa he didn't score, and international's against weak teams he did but internationals against better teams he again couldn't.

He's only had a single season that you might think would make him a £30mil striker, and without consistency I have no idea where anything even close to £50 ever got cooked up.

When you consider half the people on this forums opinion's on how easy it is to score in La Liga, he has a very average record.

I think one owner determined to make a statement overspent on a whim, anyone who has seen him flop massively will be making a more detailed assessment of his record, injury record and attitude record and absolute failure to adapt at Chelsea and would be hard pushed to go above 20mil.

Real have been stung on multiple overpriced flops, Benzema might be paying off, Kaka was a humongous waste, Ronaldo was epic value, Torres isn't close to Ronaldo. Barca have gotten stung frequently and look insanely unlikely to buy strikers, certainly not in the mould of Torres.

City won't get him, there won't be a bidding war, I don't see where he'd be worth much money to anyone but Chelsea should sell to whoever is buying, they might be able to get something silly off PSG/Malaga.
 
Yes Suarez is really that good.
Needs some finishing form/luck though.

Wait DM, so Torres never scored against the likes of Chelsea, pretty sure he scored more against them than united, unless you count them as weak opposition? Or the goal to win the euros? Scored plenty of important goals in europe too.
 
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Purdy said:
Yes Suarez is really that good.
Needs some finishing form/luck though.

Wait DM, so Torres never scored against the likes of Chelsea, pretty sure he scored more against them than united, unless you count them as weak opposition? Or the goal to win the euros? Scored plenty of important goals in europe too.
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The point isn't if Suarez is good, the question is if Suarez is so good, why isn't the team scoring more, nor Suarez, and even if Suarez finished a few more chances, they still why isn't the team scoring more. Some strikers play in a way that they end up with all the ball, all the chances and the team is worse than having a striker that is worse but plays completely differently and the team is better.

Lets make a huge assumption, that Liverpool don't increase their rate of scoring for the next couple years, and they play the same way, would you take Suarez and 18 goals in 14 or 15 games(forget which), or would you take another striker and Liverpool scoring 30-35 in the same number of games.


Likewise with Torres, no, if you look at his scoring record, his first season he gets 24 in 29 games in the league, he scored 31 goals in all competitions, the next year he gets 14 in 20-22 league games or there abouts and not a huge amount in other competitions. The year after that he got 18 in 20 games, which sounds good, but that was his last "prolific" year, but only in terms of when he played, that was his last "good" year and I was making the point that maybe that scoring rate would extrapolate to 36 goals in 40 games..... but when you look at that last "good" season, he actually got a couple goals against Benfica in Europa, nothing in the CL, he wasn't scoring in the cups, he wasn't scoring for Spain, and of those 18 goals, it was West Ham, Wigan, Hull, Blackburn, Villa, Stoke, then 2 goals against Utd. It's not like he put all, or half those goals in against huge teams in big games.

The only season he's had a fantastic year, was his first year, at AThletico his scoring rate was never brilliant, in all but his first year at Pool I don't think he broke 20 league goals...... where the hell did 50million come from.

Henry could score a goal, solo, starting in his own half going round 6 players to do so with a cool finish, Torres can't. I have never at any stage thought he was a 30mil striker, let alone a 50mil striker. I look at the stats, I look who he scored against, I think how teams play with him when he isn't playing well or when he is playing well. I don't think he contributes almost anything except for scoring, when he's playing badly he hurts the team more than he helps them, when he's playing really well, I don't think he helps enough and I always thought the majority of his goals were pretty simple, there isn't anything greatly wrong with that, but again I fail to see how that makes him a 30mil+ player.

It's also worth noting, the one season Liverpool challenged for the title seriously, Torres only just started over half the games. He helped, but you certainly can't point to Torres and say, he played almost all the games and scored a huge number of goals, he wasn't the difference for Liverpool.
 
Id take Torres back but then i never wanted him to leave but i could see his reasons for leaving however i doubt the story is true anyway.

If he does ever leave i bet it would be back to La Liga now.
 
The problem with the 50mill price tag is:

1. newcastle demanding 35mill and liverpool wanting some change for suarez
2. 50mill is nothing for RA, probably a weeks investment returns, so equivalent to a family 2nd holiday decision
 
drunkenmaster said:
Best striker isn't necessarily the best for a team, I was thinking the other day, is Suarez really that good, or does he hog the ball, miss a lot of chances and stop the team scoring well.
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If you look back over our last 2 games, Suarez only had something like 8 shots in total (and 1 goal), yet as a team we had almost 4 times that amount.

That indicates the problem as being: no one is capable of finishing at the moment, its not a 'Suarez sucks, and hogging the ball too much' scenario.
 
Torres was awesome, if they'd have actually bought him in his peak, 2 years younger, I don't think 50m would have been that far off.
 
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