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David villa broken leg, i guess barca will need a replacement
** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **
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Do you ever watch International football? Judging from this sort of guff I'm thinking you don’t.
Apart from at the very start of his career, has he ever been a 'big fish in a little pond'? Prior to Liverpool he was at Ajax, arguably the biggest team in Dutch football...
I just think at the moment he is trying to do it all, there isn't really anyone that has stepped up to the plate in scoring terms for us this season, coupled with some bad luck in front of goal means he is snapping at the chances, all strikers go through it.
Regardless he is creating 50% of those chances himself through his sheer brilliance. Not worried about his 'lack' of scoring, doubt you will find a single Liverpool supporter that is either.
yeah, it's not like Uruguay won the Copa America recently or anything is it
Nasty.
The right attitude to have for a player that's not been at the club very long at all who is only 18? Don't be ridiculous. He will be put out on loan before breaking into the first team for sure as well.
He isn't a player that sits on the bench, he's a youth player that's only just this season been training with the first team.
I know he has a good reputation, but I've seen nothing really good from him in any of the first team games he's played.
I'd go as far as saying he was absolutely gash against Palace when he came on, barely got a pass right that night.
The team was very disjointed that night and he was being shifted about all over the place positionally so it's understandable really.
He's definitely above the reserve level easily, but he isn't ready for first team action yet. He hasn't been sent out on loan I think because of his limited English, Fergies being a bit protective with him.
He's definitely above the reserve level easily, but he isn't ready for first team action yet. He hasn't been sent out on loan I think because of his limited English, Fergies being a bit protective with him.
Yeah, he should believe in his talent and believe he's good enough to play for Man Utd, otherwise it's pointless him being there. He will be looking at some of your CM's performances this year and he should rightly be thinking he could have a crack at it. 18 means nothing, and neither does time at the club, 18 year olds play in the league every week, as do players who are new to clubs. I just can't really see the problem with a footballer wanting to play football but maybe I'm the strange one.
I'd also suggest there's nothing 'foolish' about moving away from Man Utd, he could move to a different club and play every week, that doesn't strike me as foolish, the opposite maybe ..
We've got Jenkinson starting for us (before his injury) and he came to us way, way, way further away from first team football than Pogba is now, stuck him in the team for a few weeks and he learnt remarkably quickly and now he doesn't look out of place one bit. It's not a crazy thing, giving players first team football accelerates their progression dramatically.
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Im not sure about his contract length - but everything Ive read in the last few months on the subject implies he can talk to other clubs from Jan, and move in Summer of 2012 for free
Palace wasnt a good game for anyone though - and given how badly the 1st team have been playing, to blame it on one (or two) 18 year olds wilth little first team experience is a little harsh imo
I think he SHOULD be pushing for sub appearances in EPL games, and to be fair I think that would keep him happy (with regular appearances in big games for him). The fact he isnt getting ANY onfield time apart from CC sub appearances must be disheartening (with the likes of Gibson still ahead of him and how woeful he is).
de Rossi is being linked again (I dont believe he has signed a contract with Roma yet) , but he would be a great replacement for Fletcher imo, although he is relatively near the United age limit for signing players.
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Agree 100% I think fergie should have put him in long before now, and just throw him in there, he couldn't play any worse than the likes of players we've been playing there recently.
I look at Jack Wilshire and Aaron Ramsey and think... these lad's got plenty more game time, now look at them. Cleverly got some game time and came on leaps and bounds early in the season and was arguably our best player.
This season, whilst i know we are only 2 points off City, is a development, we've been kicked out of the champions league in the group stages in what was thought to be a walkthrough group ffs, thats a disgrace IMO. I'd cut losses, buy in 1 big centre mid signing, Gotze, and blood in Morrison and Pogba for the next few months (At the very least weeks), then next year, we'd have a midfield that could rival City with youth, pace and creativity. (Young, Nani, Cleverly/Pogba/Morrison/(Gotze, Matinez etc)).
I don't mind Valencia and ji sung park as back ups, but they don't cut it as starting 11 for world beaters, just look at the difference between man utd's midfield and the other big wig's of the world Park, Giggs, Gibson, Carrick wouldn't even get on the bench of the top 4 teams in the world, yet they start for us constantly, its annoying watching everybody else go from strength to strength in the position's where the game is won and lost, midfield.
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Very harsh to compare Giggs and Carrick esp to Gibson.
You have to realise and take account of Park and Giggs are only in the squad now to cover for injuries in case of emergency (even though Giggs esp played a good role last season, although he is looking past it in the 11/12 season so far).Carrick has been one of our better CM players this season, although it would be a lot better if he started every season a bit better (SAF is on record saying MC starts every season slowly)
It has to be said that MC has been a crucial part of Utd midfield in the last 4 tittle winning seasons - SAF doesnt suffer fools lightly, so he isnt as bad as some make out. (Not the same at all when comparing how Gibson is meant to have developed over the last 2 - 3 seasons, and just hasnt)
I would love Gotze or Martinez (or one of the many other high profile signings Utd are continually linked with) in Jan, ......and in the same breadth we are linked with Tiote and who ever else at Newcastle lol (no disrespect meant at all - but there is a HUGE difference even if NUFC are currently doing so well this season).
The problem is, even with your seamlessly interchanging midfield and Walcott & Gervinho perfectly suited to the way you're playing, you're not that good a side and if/when RvP gets injured/loses form, you'll be stuffed. I just thought you should know that
The problem is, even with your seamlessly interchanging midfield and Walcott & Gervinho perfectly suited to the way you're playing, you're not that good a side and if/when RvP gets injured/loses form, you'll be stuffed. I just thought you should know that
ok dear? Happy having our worst start in 60 years and still being better than Liverpool though. On your other point, we wouldn't be as good without our best player? How did you reach that conclusion! I know you're quick but that's really clever!!!! Your problem is, even with Luis Suarez, phenomenal striker, fantastic player, top lad, you've scored less goals than Bolton
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Ok dear?
When did this become a Liverpool/Arsenal debate? You're currently ahead of us (I don't think it'll finish that way mind) but I'm not sitting here trying to claim 1 of the best players in the league wouldn't improve my side.
If you're content being soley reliant on RvP then that's fine. I'm sure Gervinho and Walcott will step up when RvP's run comes to an end.
I was talking about Suarez and how he isn't the right player for Arsenal (unless he was to play in RvP's position) as he doesn't fit our shape. You then said we're not very good which was an odd thing to reply with. So I replied that Liverpool are even worse which is always worth repeating
I don't even agree we're solely reliant on RvP, so I'm not ok with it. I think we'll buy a striker in January anyway so we should be ok IF RvP's run comes to an end.
Which of my points regarding Suarez do you disagree with? I think they're both logical. Wouldn't it have been better to reply with those than 'well .. Arsenal aren't very good' (which I'm fully aware of and have never claimed otherwise)
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I was stating how Arsenal aren't that good and are overly reliant on Van Persie as part justification for why I (and most people that understand football) would believe Suarez would massively improve your side.
In a few weeks when we're ahead of you in the league again, I wouldn't sit here and state that because we're higher than you that Van Persie wouldn't improve the Liverpool side.
And if simply buying a striker means you're ok if RvP's injured/out of form, is there any need to buy one at all? You've got Chamakh on the bench and you could even recall Bendtner from his loan spell.
I've already answered that earlier in the thread. Suarez is a far better wide forward than either Walcott and Gervinho (he's also works harder than those too) and I personally believe that playing a 4-2-3-1 with Suarez off RvP would make Arsenal a far better side than they are now. Simply saying we play 4-3-3 now in response to that is a weak answer as you play that way because you don't have Suarez (or similar (and similar ability)) to select.
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I understand football just fine, I have watched every Arsenal game this season and I've seen how our shape and tactics have developed and I've made clear points as to why Suarez might improve us but he'd be out of position so it wouldn't be sensible. The job of our wingers currently are to produce chances for RvP, both have been very productive, moreso than Suarez I'd guess, as they suit the system very well. I'm not saying they are better or worse than Suarez, just that they suit us very well, that's credit to Wenger though.
Chamakh is going to the Acon and Bendtner is on a season loan, so we're going to be very short for a few months after christmas, so it makes perfect sense to buy a striker, I didn't think that needs explaining to anybody with a brain, alas I did it.
I haven't seen Suarez play WF in England so I wouldn't like to assume how good or bad he'd be. You really are quite amusing though in regards to Suarez, don't take it so personally, not everybody thinks he's that good, as I'm sure you can understand given how wasteful he is.
I didn't say you didn't understand football, just that most people that do will see that Suarez would improve your side.
As for it not being sensible to play a player out of position, even though he's better there than what you've got, that's plain stupid. Obviously the player in question would want to play in his prefered role but if the job he does in another position improves the team as a whole, you're better off for it.
And I wasn't responding to your shortage of strikers but your flippant response implying that simply buying a striker would make up for the loss of form or an injury to RvP. I'd have thought that anybody with a brain could understand that.
Suarez has played as a wide forward quite a few times since joining us, so it's not assuming. He's not always played there for the full 90 minutes but he's played there a fair bit. Most notably would be the Liverpool 3-1 Utd game where he spent a large chunk of the game on the right and ripped Evra apart (creating all 3 goals too (although 1 was a saved free-kick)).
He's far from a great finisher but the wasteful comment comes from the fact that at times he'll shoot from anywhere. It's usually because he gets in and around the penalty area but has no support so shoots.
And yes, he creates a lot of chances for himself and others too.
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