** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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The Running Man said:
But we have known Scholes to be retiring. we know giggsy is 38. We know that park isn't right for cm. yet we sat on our hands all summer and did naught to fix it. we didn't buy any midfielders never mind the quality/quantity that city have purchased.

Im not arguing for the sake of arguing but because i don't think you grasp the situation in hand.
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To be fair I think there is only one person failing to grasp a simple concept.

I completely take your point on board and I will try to answer as best I can.

Scholes - Not really replaceable is he really, unless you go and throw 50 million at Barcelona for Xavi, who's old so you probably wouldn't want him but you don't want a young player because they're inexperienced.

Park - Not good enough for centre midfield, let me let you into a little secret, Ferguson plays Park in the centre because of his engine, he chases everyone, all game. A bit like Fletcher did, which if you haven't noticed needed to be replaced because of illness.

Giggs - He is still there I imagine because he brings a bucket full of experience, experience that was lost when you sold O'Shea, Brown and Scholes, Neville and van der sar retired.

Cleverley - Like the above poster said, United looked a lot better with him in the midfield than without but lets not forget he's unproven (:confused:) What's the alternative, to go and spend 30 - 50 million on an unproven (in the premier league) world class midfielder?

So judging by your complaints about your team, United need to go out and spend at least 80 million on new players to replace people they already have!

I may have missed it but I don't remember United being taken over by Arabs! That was City mate, hence why they have 80 midfielders ;)

You know what, I'm beginning to think I know more about your team than you do!
 
Mark1989 said:
So nearly half way through jan, We still dont have a striker we need or a decent left winger or a replacement for aging and poor form kuyt bah! >.<
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Has there really been any indiction that Liverpool are even in for anyone? Apart from the Bent rumours I haven't read or heard anything, unlike last year for example when the Suarez story rumbled on throughout the entire window.

Seems to me the only club who are attractively looking to spend money this window (out of the top clubs) is Chelsea
 
I'm not a Man Utd fan and even I can see that Nani plays well on the left. :confused:

He loves to shoot, so why not put him on the side where he can cut in onto his stronger foot and do that? It's no different to Bayern Munich playing Robben on the right.
 
Tom84 said:
Has there really been any indiction that Liverpool are even in for anyone? Apart from the Bent rumours I haven't read or heard anything, unlike last year for example when the Suarez story rumbled on throughout the entire window.

Seems to me the only club who are attractively looking to spend money this window (out of the top clubs) is Chelsea
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Nope doesnt appear to be anything of any worth which kind of makes it worse, I think our over al lsqaud is better than last years though not by as much as pundit etc make out.

Downing - IMO Been poor since he joined us, Kuyt - Has had an awful season also getting older so we need a replacement idealy. Carroll imo Adam and most others given him crap service Gerrard has shown how he needs the balls to him really so im willing to think he needs more time.

Suarez being out and we are al lready imo relying on him too much like we did with Torres so we need some one else with the fight and creative spark etc.

Id like us to personally bring in Soldado and a decent left winger ill be honest though i dont know who id choose winger wise.
 
Tom84 said:
Nor do you. You fail to grasp the amount of injuries and that being the reason for changes in midfield and defence from one week to another

You fail to grasp that the club tried to bring in Sneijder and Nasri over the summer but neither would accept the clubs terms

You bemoan constantly selling Pique (despite the fact that he wanted to go) yet now moan that we give young players like Jones, Smalling and De Gea a chance. You're even moaning now that the club may not win the title this season.

You are by definition the type United fan that the entire country pokes fun at and trust me when I say that's me putting it nicely.
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So let me grasp this correctly. you think we did well to scraper 5 million for Pique? and then buy smalling for 9-12m and jones for 16m? Okay so far im seeing nothing other than bad business.

Do you think a team that has tried to sign frankard @ 33 years old is seriously going to try and sign wesley sniejder? I think we enquired and then baulked at the demands. We never seriously lined him up to be our next biggest signing.

If we were really serious about spending that kind of dollar then surely we would have had back up plans who were enarly as costly but not quite. You dont go to sign a 30 million + midfielder and then another one in january to suddenly realise, 'oh no i forgot to buy a midfield!'. I tyold you back then that sneijder was a fantasy and that it was never going to happen. the fact is we missed the window of opportunity, when he moved for half that price just a year or two before. We needed Inter to be desperate for the money, but in the end they were not. I would have liked NAsri, but to be fair he has been pretty annonymous at City so far.

I have nothing against young players. But where is the blend?

It has taken over 10 years for fergie to sign a decent central midfielder who is at the top of his game, if he ever did. And so far he has not. Instead we use band aid fixes like Giggs, or Park, or pray for Cleverly to be good. Hows about we just buy Newcastle UTD's scouts instead? Might not set us up for next week but hopefully it would mean we get players and dont have to pay 30 million via the 'wait and see policy'

Oh and as for the last position you want to take any kind of chance on (you think we'd have learnt this from last time) is the goalkeeper.

Especially whilst you are trying to bed in new RB, CB, CB, CM and LW. it makes no sense whatsoever. You surely buy the best you can for now and worry about youngsters later.
 
Weebull said:
I'm not a Man Utd fan and even I can see that Nani plays well on the left. :confused:

He loves to shoot, so why not put him on the side where he can cut in onto his stronger foot and do that? It's no different to Bayern Munich playing Robben on the right.
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hm,m at the tail end of last season Nani was in great form on the right wing. then valencia came in and nani was shunted to the left wing and did nowt.
 
Weebull said:
I'm not a Man Utd fan and even I can see that Nani plays well on the left. :confused:

He loves to shoot, so why not put him on the side where he can cut in onto his stronger foot and do that? It's no different to Bayern Munich playing Robben on the right.
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It's gonna hurt me to do it but I'm gonna have to agree with The Asda Man here, Nani was (is?) much betteron the right than on the left and it's weird because he cuts in a lot and shoots and, being right-footed, he should prefer the left, but it hasn't ever really worked for him.

I assume it's because when he's on the left it's a lot more obvious / implied that he's going to be cutting in more on to his right rather than staying wide and crossing with his left, whilst cutting in on to his left is somewhat less expected and he has a good enough left foot to make use of it.
 
Nani was bought as a LW, but he has had far better games on the right. He can shoot just as well with his left foot if he wanted to come inside.
 
Any time you want to address my point RunningMan you let me know :)

Nani on the left is just as good as he is on the right, the problem is he doesn't get enough time there, he is far better at cutting inside and having a pop than Young is.

An in form Nani and Valencia is fairly decent for a pair of wingers.
 
Tom84 said:
Has there really been any indiction that Liverpool are even in for anyone? Apart from the Bent rumours I haven't read or heard anything, unlike last year for example when the Suarez story rumbled on throughout the entire window.
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No. and actually that suits me fine. I don't think there is any value in trying to bring a player in the Jan window for Liverpool. I understood the need last year, this year not so much. We should be looking at keeping the funds for the summer.
 
Mr.Pink said:
No. and actually that suits me fine. I don't think there is any value in trying to bring a player in the Jan window for Liverpool. I understood the need last year, this year not so much. We should be looking at keeping the funds for the summer.
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I still think they will go for Bent, especially now he has realised Aston Villa are as bad as Sunderland.
 
Stewy said:
It's gonna hurt me to do it but I'm gonna have to agree with The Asda Man here, Nani was (is?) much betteron the right than on the left and it's weird because he cuts in a lot and shoots and, being right-footed, he should prefer the left, but it hasn't ever really worked for him.

I assume it's because when he's on the left it's a lot more obvious / implied that he's going to be cutting in more on to his right rather than staying wide and crossing with his left, whilst cutting in on to his left is somewhat less expected and he has a good enough left foot to make use of it.
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I wasn't suggesting he was better on the left, just that he can make it work there, and that you don't need the stereotypical left-footed left winger and right-footed RW combo.
 
Ripper said:
Nani was bought as a LW, but he has had far better games on the right. He can shoot just as well with his left foot if he wanted to come inside.
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I think it was arguable that Nani was really ever bought as a LW (I think by then Ronaldo was itching to leave, so Nani was always going to end up predominantly on the right) even if thats where he started at Utd


It will take a while for Cleverley to blossom, but imo he has shown enough in the few games already before he was injured to deserve a really decent chance , although I do think another creative / attacking cm wouldnt go amiss in the squad either. Playing / competing with each other for games, learning from each other and hopfully inpriring wouldnt do either any harm (given the amount of games the top teams play every season).

One box to box mid at the very least is necessary at some point, but Im wondering whether the unknown timescale of Fletcher's illness and SAF's natural fondness for him may delay this somewhat.

Im guessing Pogba and Morrison will get Europa run outs as subs just to test them out more thoroughly , but will SAF want to give them more experience with the reportedly massive ??? hanging over their heads
 
Mr.Pink said:
No. and actually that suits me fine. I don't think there is any value in trying to bring a player in the Jan window for Liverpool.
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I'm not sure I agree with that. With the injury to Lucas and Suarez's suspension (we were probably short of 1 striker/attacker to begin with too), if the right player(s) become available at reasonable prices then we should definitely be in the market this window.

It looks like we're going to be in a close battle for a place in the CL and if we can bring somebody in that can assist us in anyway, we should.
 
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