** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Shamikebab said:
Oh you do talk nonsense Nick, Nani is perfectly comfortable playing left or right wing.
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Given the form of Valencia at the moment Nani's only going to get in the team on the left tbh

8 assists in his last 7 games now for Tony V and now only 1 behind Nani in total :cool:
 
The Running Man said:
Okay in the city game where did Jones play? Did Nani get switched to his weaker flank?

Are any of our rb as good as micah Richards? If not it means we did something wrong. Does Jones look comfortable at rb? In midfield? No he looked absolutely awful against city he literally could not have put a foot worse. I can't remember what minute it was possibly near 70 when someone passes him the ball to the line. instead of getting the ball he tried a little flick thinking he was the big man around campus, ball goes out for a city throw. thanks v much Jones. that was exactly what we did not need.
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Serious question; Do you understand football?

Nani can play both flanks, Valencia can't :confused: Simple really :)

Jones played right back because the only other person in the squad that could was playing centre back (Smalling) there is an injury crisis going on at most clubs due to the time of the year and especially it seems at United. This means that players may need to be played out of position.

None of Uniteds right backs are as good as Micah Richards but to be fair as a Leeds lad and also a product of Man Citys youth system, it is highly unlikely that he would ever consider playing for United. I don't think that means United are doing anything wrong, just that they haven't had a right back develop through their youth system. You seem to have singled out 2 of probably the best young centre backs in the country who will more than likely going to go to be Englands centre back pairing in the future.

Another question, would you leave Smalling and Jones rotting in the reserves and continue to play Ferdinand and Vidic? Or would you allow the development of the younger players by giving them first team experience, even if that means playing them slightly out of position?

Do you also realise that Jones made more appearances for Blackburn in midfield than he did centre back?
 
A2M i understand it very well. name our first choice rb. that's right we basically don't have one. We have 2 youth prospects (rafael/Fabio) but who the hell is number 1? If you say Rafael i want you to count how many consecutive games he has played for us in any one streak. That it will be a low number means that he cannot realistically be counted upon to be our first choice rb. Therefore by not signing one of sufficient qality was always going to be a mistake.

With rio and vidic injury/suspension records smalling was always going to get a game. Plus if we were still in 4 cups the opportunities present themselves.

Phil Jones has looked bad in midfield and worse at rb.

i know city have money but i don't see them playing a 19 yo cb in cm. or relying upon another unproven like cleverly.
 
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The Running Man said:
Nani never plays as well on the left.
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I think in that instance then using your thinking that United should have dropped Nani all together because he's not as good on the left.

Or they could have played Valencia on the left but surely that's playing him out of position, something you seem to have a lot of hatred for!
 
The Running Man said:
A2M i understand it very well. name our first choice rb. that's right we basically don't have one. We have 2 youth prospects but who the he'll is number 1? If you say Rafael i want you to count how mantra consecutive games he has played for us in any one streak. that it will be a low number means that he hascannot realistically be counted upon ti be our first choice rb. therefore by not signing one of sufficient qality was always going to be a mistake.

With rio and vidic injury/suspension records smalling was always going to get a game. plus if we were still in 4 cups the opportunities present themselves...

Phil Jones has looked bad in midfield and worse at rb.

i know city have money but i don't see them playing a 19 yo cb in cm. or relying upon another unproven like cleverly.
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That is difficult to decypher but here goes.

I don't know their team inside out, I answered the questions you were struggling with :confused: You don't seem to understand why teams play players out of position, I was helping you.

Is Cleverly unproven? I thought he was one of the reasons Wigan stayed up last season? If playing in a relegation threatened team and doing well is unproven then a lot of players out there are struggling!

If Phil Jones is looking terrible in all these positions do you think they should get rid of him? Or give him a bit of time seeing as he's 19 and has just stepped up to the most succesful club in England?

I don't think it has anything to do with money regarding your Man City question, they have several players in midfield who mostly sit on the bench counting their money, compare the two midfields and see how injuries to players would effect the team. That will give you a better idea of why players might be being played out of position. :)
 
I asked you a straight question, who is UTDs no.1 right back? IMO we dont really have one, so we have to give people bit part roles. It's a symptom of the issue that we dont have the right personnel for the job.

Is cleverly proven? that is a much better question. He did okay for wigan..sure..

Give Jones time. But surely the time to be giving a 19 year old some game time isnt the time when you are in crisis, changing the keeper each week, changing the back 4 he plays in each week. playing RB one week, CM the next. Not ideal is it?

City have thrown most of their money at strikers though. its not like they went out and spent 40 million on a midfielder

You dont compete with City by buying a 16 million 19 year old who needs a lot of time, and a keeper who is young and also needs time - whilst they are buying Aguero and co.

How about buying a good right back who can play 30-40 games a season and perform well?

We would be no worse off now if we had not bought Jones or De Gea and instead bought a high quality RB and a center midfielder.

Instead of continuing from a winning the EPL and runners up in the CL this has suddenly become a season of transition and crisis where it did not have to be this way.
 
I answered you, I don't know their team inside out.

City have bought more midfielders than strikers if I remember correctly, like I said, compare the two teams midfields and then re-ask the question as to why players were being forced into midfield for United but not City.

The way I see it United are buying for the future, do City have the 2 best young centre backs on their books? Do they have potentially the best young keeper in the World or do they have Joe Hart who has come through their youth system?

You seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing, I answer your questions and you slightly change your stance and ask the same question. I really haven't got the energy to go through it all again my friend. I hope you find happiness with your team one day.

Good luck and God bless :)
 
But we have known Scholes to be retiring. we know giggsy is 38. We know that park isn't right for cm. yet we sat on our hands all summer and did naught to fix it. we didn't buy any midfielders never mind the quality/quantity that city have purchased.

Im not arguing for the sake of arguing but because i don't think you grasp the situation in hand.
 
Mark M said:
I see saggy face is tapping up, sorry discussing, another player in Samba! I can honestly say I hate the bloke :mad:
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And then it will be hellfire and fury and woe is me when someone dares to mention a Spurs player. He's a hypocrite but to be fair most managers are, he's just more so than most.
 
I'd like to see Pogba given a chance with the first team and a run of games rather then bringing Scholes out of retirement.

I'd also like to see Sheffield Wednesday retain more of our loan players, struggling to come to an agreement with the parent clubs.
 
In fairness Cleverly really isn't that good, pinning our midfield hopes on his return is pretty embarrasing, looked good but not great at Wigan.
 
No1newts said:
And then it will be hellfire and fury and woe is me when someone dares to mention a Spurs player. He's a hypocrite but to be fair most managers are, he's just more so than most.
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Redknapp's problem is his insistence that he doesn't do the things he does, he never says anything that bad, but what he's done this time is out of line tbf
 
The Running Man said:
Im not arguing for the sake of arguing but because i don't think you grasp the situation in hand.
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Nor do you. You fail to grasp the amount of injuries and that being the reason for changes in midfield and defence from one week to another

You fail to grasp that the club tried to bring in Sneijder and Nasri over the summer but neither would accept the clubs terms

You bemoan constantly selling Pique (despite the fact that he wanted to go) yet now moan that we give young players like Jones, Smalling and De Gea a chance. You're even moaning now that the club may not win the title this season.

You are by definition the type United fan that the entire country pokes fun at and trust me when I say that's me putting it nicely.
 
Stewy said:
In fairness Cleverly really isn't that good, pinning our midfield hopes on his return is pretty embarrasing, looked good but not great at Wigan.
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I agree that we are (myself included) are pinning one too many hopes on Cleverley but I'm not sure I agree with you that he really isn't that good. I think the level of football we played with him in centre midfield at the start of the season was very positive and a fair reflection of what he's potentially capable of.

The most worrying thing about him is his fitness record thus far as he was injured for long spells for Wigan last season as well.
 
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