** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Shamikebab said:
Yeah but hang on.

One of those is Jakeke who recently said United had won the title already

The other is Frank who still claims Nani isn't good
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you have though:confused:...its your god given right every yr that you win the title;):p...just like its out god given right every yr to compete but fail miserably every year:p
 
Gilly said:
...to the opposition.

That he's one of the best midfielders isn't a big thing, when you take into account that Carrick is probably the most complete midfielder they have and no-one at all seems to rate him.
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No one rates Carrick because he is a god awful player. I would much rather have a player that makes the occasional mistake going forwards in pursuit of a goal than a Carrickesque player that add nothing to the team at all and makes fairly frequent mistakes which tend to be in our own half because he is so defensive with everything he does apart from his defending.

We need a world class central midfielder and I am hoping that Sneijder realises that Inter are budget these days and wants a move to a good club again.
 
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fez said:
No one rates Carrick because he is a god awful player. I would much rather have a player that makes the occasional mistake going forwards in pursuit of a goal than a Carrickesque player that add nothing to the team at all and makes fairly frequent mistakes which tend to be in our own half because he is so defensive with everything he does apart from his defending.

We need a world class central midfielder and I am hoping that Sneijder realises that Inter are budget these days and wants a move to a good club again.
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Sneijder will be at Inter at the end of January
 
fez said:
No one rates Carrick because he is a god awful player. I would much rather have a player that makes the occasional mistake going forwards in pursuit of a goal than a Carrickesque player that add nothing to the team at all and makes fairly frequent mistakes which tend to be in our own half because he is so defensive with everything he does apart from his defending.

We need a world class central midfielder and I am hoping that Sneijder realises that Inter are budget these days and wants a move to a good club again.
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Plenty of UTD fans on this board rated Carrick(Anderson also). It's fairly incredible that UTD won anything over the last 4-5 seasons with the creative vacuum that they have had in middle of the park but I guess it shows that they have, or at least had, huge strength in other area's. Scholes on his day was brilliant but he did have a habit of tailing off in the 2nd 1/2 of the season in the last ~3 years.
 
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Shamikebab said:
Yeah but hang on.

One of those is Jakeke who recently said United had won the title already

The other is Frank who still claims Nani isn't good
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Get it right - ive only ever said Nani isnt CONSISTANT - which is still proven to be true

fez said:
No one rates Carrick because he is a god awful player. I would much rather have a player that makes the occasional mistake going forwards in pursuit of a goal than a Carrickesque player that add nothing to the team at all and makes fairly frequent mistakes which tend to be in our own half because he is so defensive with everything he does apart from his defending.

We need a world class central midfielder and I am hoping that Sneijder realises that Inter are budget these days and wants a move to a good club again.
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If Carrick was that bad, he wouldnt have greatly assisted in two titles and won three in total for Utd (apart from the fact that Fergie doesnt suffer fools)

I think its fair to say that 90% of the games Carrick has played for Utd have been as a defensive player - so any mistake he has made is highlighted alll the more because of the position he is asked to play (which wasnt his natural position prior to joining)

Personnally I dont believe Utd have a single central midfield player that is worth keeping as 1st choice for the level Utd requiire who has been thoroughly tested in the 1st team (Cleverley, Pogba and Morrision are all promising - but none of them have been thoroughly tested as yet). Park and Giggs arent 1st choice just from their age / fitness levels, Carrick and Fletcher are ok squad members (and Anderson at a pinch) , and less said about Gibson the better)

Jones may well end up being a good box-to -box midfielder, but from his potential versatility alone he will probably end up being 1st choice in some position or rather before long (if he isnt already). Smalling doesnt come into the equation as he isnt really a midfielder of any kind as yet.
 
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I think for united, Carrick is the new Fletcher, he was the fall guy uptill a few years ago!
 
Fletcher runs around a lot, Carrick passes sideways and backwards a lot, Anderson gives the ball away and generally looks out of his depth.

Picking the best from that lot is like picking the best tasting poo :)
 
Both Carrick and Fletcher have been pretty useless for a while. Both have been good players for us at times but for me they're both playing like they're taking it for granted. Fletcher perhaps is more to do with the long time out injured but Carrick in particular does not look like he has the desire to improve.
 
Shamikebab said:
Both Carrick and Fletcher have been pretty useless for a while. Both have been good players for us at times but for me they're both playing like they're taking it for granted. Fletcher perhaps is more to do with the long time out injured but Carrick in particular does not look like he has the desire to improve.
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Anyone, and I really do mean anyone, can have a good game. That isn't indicative of if a player is good. Fletcher has scored goals against Chelsea IIRC, that doesn't make him a goal scoring machine, he's also played fantastically well on occasion, I can't name many players who haven't.

Thing is, when a team is doing well FAR too many fans start thinking that players in said team are much better than they really are.

Anderson is one of those, Cleverley just oozes class when he plays, I've said before that guys like Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Wilshire, they will get the ball, facing their own goal, under pressure, but know the right way to turn, often as the pass comes into them, away from danger and rather than pass backwards and create more pressure for the team one great turn out of danger lets them get forward.

Anderson didn't look good to me in those first 4-5 games Utd looked unbeatable, Cleverley did. Generally you can tell who the "real" quality player was in a team that is playing well when the team changes. Anderson stayed, Cleverley got injured, the team got worse. Utd drop Anderson, they rarely if ever look worse.

Drop Fabregas, Arsenal were half the team, drop Song, the team didn't notice.


Honestly, the EPL has just been getting worse and Arsenal/Utd at their best, before after 2000, basically before 2004ish, Utd/Arsenal couldn't have won crap with the midfields they have now, but the league today, you can scrape by with a few bad players. The difference is for me Chelsea spent their money stupidly badly, with a few exceptional players, and a few dudes. City have also bought a few massively overpriced players in Milner and Barry, but their "crap" buys are significantly better than Chelsea crap buys and their striker buying well, puts Chelsea to shame. In Chelsea's good years, Mutu, Drogba, Crespo, and all the players who didn't work. If Chelsea had bought 3 guys in the calibre of Aguero, Dzeko, Tevez/Balotelli they'd have won a lot more than they did.

That difference in quality between the team Chelsea put together, which always struggled for depth and overspent on the wrong players time and time again, vs the quality City have put together is insane.

Without City and the team they have Utd might have won the league with Anderson/Fletcher, with City around there isn't a chance in hell.

They need a starting DM and a backup DM, and they need someone good enough to start at AMC but either old enough, or young enough/not a huge name that Cleverley will be allowed to play a very decent number of games.
 
Gilly said:
...to the opposition.

That he's one of the best midfielders isn't a big thing, when you take into account that Carrick is probably the most complete midfielder they have and no-one at all seems to rate him.
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Including Fergie, unless carrick is injured - there's a reason that he has been used as a make shift CB and hardly used in midfield at all.


It's fairly incredible that UTD won anything over the last 4-5 seasons with the creative vacuum that they have had in middle of the park but I guess it shows that they have, or at least had, huge strength in other area's. Scholes on his day was brilliant but he did have a habit of tailing off in the 2nd 1/2 of the season in the last ~3 years.
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Long ball, wing play and 70 million+ on strikers?
 
Indeed, not that hard to work out tbf, they've got a good defence (Vidic and Ferdinand were unreal for a few seasons) and have got two £30m+ strikers, that kinda helps. Also, the midfield aren't that poor, they're just not attackers, they're all hard workers who understand their role and are tactically good enough
 
I think utd need a decent midfielder for in January and another Centre Back. Fletcher is good but nothing spectacular. Carrick is completly useless, if i see him on the time sheet i thinkg ffs games going to be rubbish. First thing he does when he gets the ball is turns to his own goal to pass backwards. not an attacking bone in his body.

Ferdinand has struggled over the last couple of years and i do not think Evans is of united quality to partner Vidic in defence, we need to get someone else.

Schneider is a brilliant player but i'm not overkeen as he wa stalling with the deal in the summer, it's Man United he should be happy to take a pay cut to come to the club!

I did see we signed some 5 year old, maybe we can play him in the main team? He's probs about the same size as roberto carlos and he did alright :)
 
Moses said:
Is Pogba the one who's just going to leave when his contract runs out at the end of the season? Is he potentially awesome, or just an average player who'll do okay at a smaller club?
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Was potentially awesome as a future United player, Capello was already considering taking him to Euro 2012 untill he found out he was French. Now he's erring on a new contract everyone is suddenly unsure about him :p
 
Lots of recent articles on Lucho Gonzalez wanting to move away from Marseille. If he's not good enough to even be a starter for them then I don't see why he'd be good enough for us.
 
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