** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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At least Utd are over the hump of the REALLY difficult matches (and according to reports 3 points better off than this point last season)

IF Anderson was good enough Rooney wouldnt have been deployed in midfield in the last few games, I think thats proof enough that Anderson isnt going to be a long term solution (in SAF's mind at any rate).

I know Fergie's said otherwise - but I have a feeling the next month or so may well be a sales pitch for Berba, Utd arent going to sign him on a long term contract and they will want some money back at some point (even if its just to part fund a midfield /striker) soon

So while the team need Cleverley back asap, it could be good for the books that Berba is playing a few more matches upfront while Rooney is more central

edit - at least Rafael played 90 mins for the reserves on Thursday and Smalling should be back available for Tuesday's CL game
 
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I reckon this January will be a relatively quiet transfer window amongst the big clubs. They all seem relatively well settled. If I was Mancini, I'd be delighted with how things were going and wouldn't want to rock the boat - maybe with the exception of the odd Argentinian out the door :p

Utd don't typically spend all too much in January (if my memory serves) but they could use a midfielder or two, and Liverpool splashed the cash this year too. I can see the standard panic buys by the likes of Blackburn, and QPR will likely try to add a few, with Newcastle potentially bringing in a decent striker and/or full-back.

Reckon the big spenders will be Leicester City!
 
but interestingly some people say that fergie is not to.blame... but when you have had 25 years and hundreds of millions to spend it has to be on his head. the tactics, the playing staff are all his by choice.

that's the flipside of 25 years of management - you can't blame your predecessor.
 
pauLAW said:
United (man) wont be signing anyone is Jan so forget it. Fergie will not sign cup tied players so unless they are young and not playing in the CL then he will not even consider it.

Should have signed someone in the midfield last summer but cant spend silly money
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I have a very sneaky feeling Beckham could join united.
1 Would be a free transfer
2 United would make revenue back of merchandise sales to pay his wages so technically a good free reserve player.
3 Becks always said he wanted to end his career at united

tbh united dont need another player average age of the United squad is 23. Granted a powerhouse midfield would help in short term but for long term united have a very good squad.
 
nuttyprot said:
I have a very sneaky feeling Beckham could join united.
1 Would be a free transfer
2 United would make revenue back of merchandise sales to pay his wages so technically a good free reserve player.
3 Becks always said he wanted to end his career at united

tbh united dont need another player average age of the United squad is 23. Granted a powerhouse midfield would help in short term but for long term united have a very good squad.
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I think he has ruled himself out of coming back to UK hasnt he?

I think Becks would probably want a signing on fee or something so I doubt it would be totally free for Utd (even if they could sell enough shirts to pay for his huge wages)

Would be a major backwards step imo, Utd need a young creative cm /am rather than a super-sub winger (even if his free kicks would be worth having)
 
Why do people still go on about player x's shirt sales paying for his wages?

Any money Utd would make from increased shirt sales from Beckham's return would only be their mark up on shirts sold through official club stores. And that might not even be the case if, as somebody on here said before, Utd outsource their club stores.

The only people that would benefit financially from Beckham's return in the short-term (and it would only be a short-term deal anyway) would be Nike.
 
Another Arsenal rumour...Mario Goetze of Borrussia Dortmund, who we just happen to play tomorrow night is on our hitlist. Borussia want at least £30mill so with that in mind, ill take that rumour with a huge pinch of salt as i just cannot see Arsenal or Wenger splashing out that much money for just one player...perhaps a few average players for a combined total of £30mill is more reasonable but us spunking £30mill on him is a bit too far fetched in all honesty.

Saying that it would be great if Arsenal decided to buy some top class players...this summer we lost out on Mata and should have signed Cahill but we didnt, in the end we got a rubbish replacement for Fabregas ie Arteta and a few sub par players who havent exactly set the EPL on fire lol...although saying that we have been winninbg our games, since beatinbg Chelski we have been winning games...helps that RVP is on fire at the moment.

Id like us to sign Cahill but Chelski are now after him so cant see him picking us for them...i just dont think that big lumbering German is going to do us any favours, too prone to falling down and causing stupid mistakes.
 
The Running Man said:
but interestingly some people say that fergie is not to.blame... but when you have had 25 years and hundreds of millions to spend it has to be on his head. the tactics, the playing staff are all his by choice.

that's the flipside of 25 years of management - you can't blame your predecessor.
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Yeah, 12 premier league titles, 5 FA Cups and 2 Champs League wins, he must be crying into his cornflakes about the lack of someone to blame for his 'failure'. :p

Beckham would have to be crazy to move back to the UK on any more than a 6 month loan in the off-season to try and get some Olympic play time before retiring for good or heading back to the US, a couple weeks of Northern winter and I'm sure he'll realise why he moved to California in the first place :p
 
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BaZ87 said:
Why do people still go on about player x's shirt sales paying for his wages?

Any money Utd would make from increased shirt sales from Beckham's return would only be their mark up on shirts sold through official club stores. And that might not even be the case if, as somebody on here said before, Utd outsource their club stores.

The only people that would benefit financially from Beckham's return in the short-term (and it would only be a short-term deal anyway) would be Nike.
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But to conteract that - I wonder if Nike would (somehow, not sure legally how its done) pay Utd some part of the deal's cost, as they will sell more shirts because of the deal?

Several articles in the general media certainly mentioned this over the summer re any potential Sneijder deal (because transfer & wages would cost so much)

So while you are correct in the semantics - its stil effectively the same, no? (ie Utd not having to pay the full transfer fee, or getting a big check in return for a Star signing)
 
They wouldn't pay for part of the deal but its HIGHLY likely that Nike, or whoever else, pay either a fee for each new name they are allowed to sell on the shirt. IE Sneidjer joins and Nike pay X amount for the rights to sell shirts with his name on and that price would be a significantly higher price than, Fabio or someone, at least for now.

Or they renegotiate the deal each year or get a bonus per year over X amount of sales.

Sorry Baz, but as with just about anything else in this world, more shirts sold is going to equal more money in Utd's pockets, there is no other possible way this could work. Not least because, if it didn't, when a shirt sponsorship deal was up, as people compete to get the sponsorship deal they'll offer incentives, one of which would be, more shirts sold, more profit.

How the deal works essentially doesn't matter, better players = more shirt sales = more money, EVEN if it solely came down to Sneidjer joins, Nike sell 10% more shirts than normal, and the next renegotiation Utd got an extra 10% increase because they used the name and the shirt sales that came with it to strengthen their bargaining position.
 
FrankJH said:
I think he has ruled himself out of coming back to UK hasnt he?

I think Becks would probably want a signing on fee or something so I doubt it would be totally free for Utd (even if they could sell enough shirts to pay for his huge wages)

Would be a major backwards step imo, Utd need a young creative cm /am rather than a super-sub winger (even if his free kicks would be worth having)
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Becks was planning to join Tottenham at one point but Tottenham pulled out.

Now becks says he would only come back to england if was to play for united again as playing for another english team would feel wrong according to the Mirror.
 
FrankJH said:
But to conteract that - I wonder if Nike would (somehow, not sure legally how its done) pay Utd some part of the deal's cost, as they will sell more shirts because of the deal?

Several articles in the general media certainly mentioned this over the summer re any potential Sneijder deal (because transfer & wages would cost so much)

So while you are correct in the semantics - its stil effectively the same, no? (ie Utd not having to pay the full transfer fee, or getting a big check in return for a Star signing)
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The Sneijder articles were, "because Sneijder is sponsored by Nike and that Nike felt that they could make the most of their agreement with Sneijder if he was at Utd". Beckham's with Adidas. Anyway, I suspect those stories were bs anyway.

As for whether Nike would pay part of the costs, it's unlikely but if they did, it would be so little that it would barely pay a fraction of Beckham's wage. People grossly overestimate how many replica kits are sold around the world; do you really think all the kids in Africa, India and the Far East are wearing legit kits? They're mostly fakes. Throw in the fact that we're talking about Beckham signing in January and that the majority of all replica kits are sold at the time of launch/start of the season. Based on that, now come up with a sensible guess at how many extra kits will be sold on the back of Beckham signing and how much profit that would make Nike. The key word to the last sentence being extra; somebody buying a Beckham kit counts for **** if they would have bought a Rooney kit had Beckham not signed (which accounts for the majority of people buying kits). For example; 2 years running a Liverpool shirt with Torres on the back was the biggest selling Premier League kit around the world, yet despite him leaving, sales of our new away and 3rd kit released this summer were the strongest ever. People that were buying Torres kits and now just buying Gerrard or Suarez kits.

As for what DM's said: the part about Nike paying more for each different player is simply wrong. Nike pay Utd a fixed fee each year for the rights to manufacture the kits, training gear etc. What he says about the renegotiating of the kit deal is true; if you're selling more shirts then you can get more money out of Nike. However Nike aren't going to be paying too much attention to any increased sales during Beckham's 6 month period at Utd, when they come to renegotiate a 10 year deal in a few years time, are they?
 
Rich_L said:
Yeah, 12 premier league titles, 5 FA Cups and 2 Champs League wins, he must be crying into his cornflakes about the lack of someone to blame for his 'failure'. :p

Beckham would have to be crazy to move back to the UK on any more than a 6 month loan in the off-season to try and get some Olympic play time before retiring for good or heading back to the US, a couple weeks of Northern winter and I'm sure he'll realise why he moved to California in the first place :p
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ah i see, because past performance guarantees future results. if that were the case in football, then avb would have sewn the league up already. a manager should be judged currently on current performances alone. historic stuff just means you should just give him a longer stay of execution to get it back on track.

the word is that we are tracking a Moroccan centerback. who can also play right back, apparently we don't have enough of those at the moment!
 
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