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drunkenmaster said:
Anyone, and I really do mean anyone, can have a good game. That isn't indicative of if a player is good. Fletcher has scored goals against Chelsea IIRC, that doesn't make him a goal scoring machine, he's also played fantastically well on occasion, I can't name many players who haven't.

Thing is, when a team is doing well FAR too many fans start thinking that players in said team are much better than they really are.

Anderson is one of those, Cleverley just oozes class when he plays, I've said before that guys like Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Wilshire, they will get the ball, facing their own goal, under pressure, but know the right way to turn, often as the pass comes into them, away from danger and rather than pass backwards and create more pressure for the team one great turn out of danger lets them get forward.

Anderson didn't look good to me in those first 4-5 games Utd looked unbeatable, Cleverley did. Generally you can tell who the "real" quality player was in a team that is playing well when the team changes. Anderson stayed, Cleverley got injured, the team got worse. Utd drop Anderson, they rarely if ever look worse.

They need a starting DM and a backup DM, and they need someone good enough to start at AMC but either old enough, or young enough/not a huge name that Cleverley will be allowed to play a very decent number of games.
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As much as I always shout / abuse DM, that post is absolutely spot on.
 
so you are saying that cleverly is actually the difference between us winning 8 something one week and looking completely abject the next?

Anderson brings a lot to our team. he is good with the ball, runs past people, shows energy and movement which virtually none of the rest of our team do. as i said put him alongside someone competent and important sure he will look much better than he does when playing with the rest of our one dimensional midfielders.
 
Energy? Movement?

He's so slow he looks fat and lazy. Not to mention what a **** he looks when he tries no-look passes.

All in all he's a very, very average player and not good enough for a top side.
 
so you dont watch him often then because he must have the highest number of successful dribbles of our central midfielders and the most forward passes. i really don't know where this fat and lazy prejudice has come from but i know its been working up in you for some time.
 
I think that Anderson and Cleverly is a very good midfield when they have young and nani flanking them. The odd pass going missing in the final 3rd is not a big deal. You will score a lot more goals with those two in the middle compared to any combination involving Carrick or Fletcher. A players value cannot be measured by the times he gave away the ball. Ronaldo loved to lose the ball but he wouldn't do it 20 yards from our own goal which is what Carrick loves to do.

You play near your own goal and the mistakes will matter; you make that same mistake 20 yards from their goal and its no big deal.
 
fez said:
A players value cannot be measured by the times he gave away the ball.
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This.

What Gilly doesn't seem to understand is Carrick could not lose the ball in 3 matches, but that's because he doesn't look up the pitch and rarely strays out of our half. Anderson tries far more, and as a result loses the ball more, but he also creates more.
 
Xabi Alonso said:
It's hard to judge England in South Africa but maybe they failed to gel despite having excellent players. Sometimes it seems the English don't rate those who make the team work rather than standing out themselves. You shouldn't necessarily pick the best players; you have to have a collective identity."

In other words, don't waste 10 years trying to crowbar Gerrard and Frank Lampard into the team. Alonso dodges the bullet. "Hey," he says. "That's a press debate. I'm not saying that. But the collective ideal hasn't always been there. Paul Scholes maybe hasn't had the international career he should have. Or Michael Carrick: he makes those around him better, regardless of the fact that he's not the one who scores the most goals, or a great tackler."
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And that's coming from one of the best midfielders in the world, Carrick might not be everyone's cup of tea as they're blinded by the myth that he doesn't pass the ball forward but the sooner he's fit the better (especially with the news that Cleverley is out till Christmas)
 
Playing nothing balls into a space with no-one occupying it is not better than passing sidewards to your winger.

Also: Xabi Alonso one of the best midfielders in the world?
 
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