January Transfer Window 2012/2013 Season Rumours/Signings

Sorry Biz but you cant call Sneijder a genuine mercenary and then try to defend someone like Nasri, worst case they're both as bad as one another, personally though I've never seen Nasri show an ounce of the amount of class Sneijder showed during the transfer negotiations with us, never before have I ever seen a player thank another clubs supporters for their support throughout a transfer negotiation on a move that never actually happened, sure Wesley had Robbo tweeting him love messages every 5 minutes but still

Nasri doesnt know what class is. I think he made himself look a total ####

With Sneijder, I think its pretty sad. Not sure what to make about it, if it was about the money he could have sat tight and counted his money. If it wasnt about the money then he could have taken a pay cut and stayed and played at the top
 
Nasri doesnt know what class is. I think he made himself look a total ####

I know Nasri's had a fair few arguments with Arsenal fans on twitter but I've read a lot of sensible Arsenal supporters compare his departure much more favourably to RvP's and particularly Fabregas'. There were no open letters slating the clubs ambitions nor any imaginary injuries preventing him from playing - Nasri continued to play (and was your best player in the Liverpool game shortly before he left) right up until you agreed a deal with City.
 
Nasri's a mercenary because he chose City over Utd? As for Sneijder's class - ultimately he didn't join you and has gone on to sign for Galatasaray for one reason, money. Saying thank you on twitter is pretty meaningless.

In answer to the question yes, because it's fairly well known that he didn't chose City the club he chose the financial package City were offering. As for Sneijder who are you to say him thanking the United supporters is meaningless? I suspect the reason why the transfer never happened is because Fergie didn't rate him high enough to either pay him the wage he wanted or pay Inter the fee they wanted either way though there's no resentment from the United supporters that the move never happened and it was a class act for him to say what he did.

If you move from your current job to another one that will give you a better standard of life/living you are a mercenary?

Dont go trying to use that one Biz because I can just as easily retort back to you why would you move from your current job to another one that will pay you less? I take what you're saying about Sneijder and his ability to still play in a better league than the Turkish one but no one knows how many firm offers he got from clubs in the PL or anywhere else in Europe, who knows maybe he's simply using this move to put his name back on the radar, only time will tell (I certainly dont expect him to stay in Turkey for long)
 
In answer to the question yes, because it's fairly well known that he didn't chose City the club he chose the financial package City were offering. As for Sneijder who are you to say him thanking the United supporters is meaningless? I suspect the reason why the transfer never happened is because Fergie didn't rate him high enough to either pay him the wage he wanted or pay Inter the fee they wanted either way though there's no resentment from the United supporters that the move never happened and it was a class act for him to say what he did.

It's fairly well known by who? Utd fans? You can no longer say that the only pull for a player to join City is money. Nasri would have earned huge money at Utd had he signed for you too. He chose City and won the league, if it just so happens that he's getting an extra £10k per week then that's a bonus.

If Sneijder wasn't a mercenary he'd be a Utd player now. As with Nasri, he'd have been paid a fortune by you to go there but he wanted more cash. It's the same reason why he's going to a 2nd rate League now when he could easily have found a move to a top side if he'd have lowered his wage demands.
 
It's fairly well known by who? Utd fans? You can no longer say that the only pull for a player to join City is money. Nasri would have earned huge money at Utd had he signed for you too. He chose City and won the league, if it just so happens that he's getting an extra £10k per week then that's a bonus.

And it's that bonus that made him a City player and not a United one

And again AFAIK all Sneijder has ever wanted was a club to pay him what he's earning at Inter, does that make him a mercenary for not wanting to take a pay cut?
 
To sit and watch most days yes lol
Yet he started 26 games?

In answer to the question yes, because it's fairly well known that he didn't chose City the club he chose the financial package City were offering.
Dont go trying to use that one Biz because I can just as easily retort back to you why would you move from your current job to another one that will pay you less?
You make out like we were QPR when we signed him. We had qualified for the CL etc before he signed so aside from the financial package as a club we were attractive also having already won the FA Cup a few months earlier!
I have no problems saying that Tevez or Adebayor are mercenaries because they joined us for huge wages when we were mid table.

I wouldn't move from my current job to one that paid less :confused:

We won't know but if it turns out that he did have other offers say from Liverpool at 100k a week but instead chose Galatasaray at 200k then yes I would say he is a mercenary because there is an offer there to go to a better team in a better league, but if it turns out that he had no other offers than there is nothing wrong with telling your only offer you want the same contract because you aren't going to say give me less because I am going to a lesser league.
 
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And it's that bonus that made him a City player and not a United one

And again AFAIK all Sneijder has ever wanted was a club to pay him what he's earning at Inter, does that make him a mercenary for not wanting to take a pay cut?

Nasri's a mercenary for wanting £200k (for arguments sake) but Sneijder's not for wanting the same, just because that's what he was previously earning? I assume when Sneijder got the pay hike to £200k, in the same way Nasri did by joining City, he was a mercenary then though?

Sneijder's a multimillionaire, whether he got £200k or £150k, it wasn't going to make a noticeable difference to his life. He turned you down and has gone on to sign for a 2nd rate side simply because it's going to earn him an extra £1-2m per season. But he said thank you on twitter so it's ok?

Nasri got a huge pay rise but he's ended up leaving a club in decline to one on the rise. Had Nasri moved to Russia, the UAE etc then fair enough. He didn't though. He moved to the side that went on to win the league and have a realistic chance of challenging for trophies every season.
 
I know Nasri's had a fair few arguments with Arsenal fans on twitter but I've read a lot of sensible Arsenal supporters compare his departure much more favourably to RvP's and particularly Fabregas'. There were no open letters slating the clubs ambitions nor any imaginary injuries preventing him from playing - Nasri continued to play (and was your best player in the Liverpool game shortly before he left) right up until you agreed a deal with City.

Compared to Fabregas departure? :rolleyes: Whatever you want to believe lol

Even RVP had a dig at the chairman and club before he left making it almost impossible for him to stay. Maybe that was justified though. But it was still engineered for his departure

But comparing his departure to Fabregas' is a joke.
 
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Compared to Fabregas departure? :rolleyes: Whatever you want to believe lol

Even RVP had a dig at the chairman and club before he left making it almost impossible for him to stay.

But comparing his departure to Fabregas' is a joke.

So you think Fabregas was injured/not fit, which is why he couldn't play? He miraculously recovered from whatever stopped him from playing as soon as he signed for Barca?

Fabregas held you over a barrel and Barca raped you. The fee you got for him considering his ability and contract situation was ridiculous. With Nasri, you raped City.
 
So you think Fabregas was injured/not fit, which is why he couldn't play? He miraculously recovered from whatever stopped him from playing as soon as he signed for Barca?

Only the physio will know that or Wenger if the reports are correct. I think it was quite publicly stated that Wenger said that he had to sort his head out before playing for Arsenal again.

Unlike the others Fabregas did love Arsenal but the draw of playing for his home team, plus them being Barca was too great. So maybe Wenger thought his head wasnt in the game. Who knows?

He never ****ged off the club though and reportedly still follows each of our games.
 
I wouldn't move from my current job to one that paid less :confused:

Why do you expect Sneijder to then? I suspect you're getting a little confused but basically you're calling Sneijder a mercenary for not taking a pay cut, yet you yourself have said you wouldn't take one either.

Nasri's a mercenary for wanting £200k (for arguments sake) but Sneijder's not for wanting the same, just because that's what he was previously earning? I assume when Sneijder got the pay hike to £200k, in the same way Nasri did by joining City, he was a mercenary then though?

Sneijder's a multimillionaire, whether he got £200k or £150k, it wasn't going to make a noticeable difference to his life. He turned you down and has gone on to sign for a 2nd rate side simply because it's going to earn him an extra £1-2m per season. But he said thank you on twitter so it's ok?

Firstly I dont know when Sneijder got this reported 200k pw salary, he was obviously surplus to requirements at Madrid though and Inter wanted him, did he tell them he'd only join them if they gave him 200k a week? Who knows but no I wouldn't call him a mercenary for leaving a club where he was no longer wanted

As for the second part obviously the difference isn't going to be noticeable to him but if his priority is to continue to earning what he's earning atm and go to a club in Turkey rather than one in the PL then fair enough, yes he's not making the most of his ability but like I say he wouldn't be the first to simply use a move to Turkey as short term option

He didn't turn us down either, we turned him down, so yes for him to still come out and say what he did showed some class
 
Only the physio will know that or Wenger if the reports are correct. I think it was quite publicly stated that Wenger said that he had to sort his head out before playing for Arsenal again.

Unlike the others Fabregas did love Arsenal but the draw of playing for his home team, plus them being Barca was too great. So maybe Wenger thought his head wasnt in the game. Who knows?

He never ****ged off the club though and reportedly still follows each of our games.

I'm not disputing whether Fabregas loved Arsenal or not. All I said was that I've read Arsenal supporters compare Nasri's departure more favourably to Fabregas's and I personally can see why.

Nasri may act like a **** on twitter etc but unlike Fabregas, he kept on playing and performing for you right up until he was sold. Also unlike Fabregas, you got a huge fee for him given his ability and the fact he had 1 year left on his deal. Because Fabregas was demanding a move to Barca and only Barca, despite him being one of the best midfielders in the world and having a good few years left on his contract, you ended getting a fairly poor fee for him.


If his priority is to earn an extra £1m per season - when he's a multimillionaire and going to earn £m's wherever he goes - over playing at the highest level of football open to him then he's a mercenary in my book.

And again, the only reason he's not a Utd player now is his wage demands - he turned you down/you turned him down, whichever makes you feel better but it doesn't change the fact that money was the sole reason why he didn't join.
 
If you read my last post you will see I said that if he had no other offers then of course he should ask for the same wages because he is going to a team that will pile a lot of pressure on him and he is going to make the club a lot of money and he is basically going there to be the marquee player so he will expect the same wages.

If it turns out he had other offers eg Liverpool at 100k and he turned them down for Galatasaray then he is a mercenary imo.
 
Saying Arsenal might try to hijack Mbiwa move.

We are the scouting network for the premier league now as everyone else is **** at it :p we never stand a chance either with our wage structure.
 
Saying Arsenal might try to hijack Mbiwa move.

We are the scouting network for the premier league now as everyone else is **** at it :p we never stand a chance either with our wage structure.

balls to that I was looking forward to him and talyor instead of the clowns we have now...
 
I'm not disputing whether Fabregas loved Arsenal or not. All I said was that I've read Arsenal supporters compare Nasri's departure more favourably to Fabregas's and I personally can see why.

Nasri may act like a **** on twitter etc but unlike Fabregas, he kept on playing and performing for you right up until he was sold. Also unlike Fabregas, you got a huge fee for him given his ability and the fact he had 1 year left on his deal. Because Fabregas was demanding a move to Barca and only Barca, despite him being one of the best midfielders in the world and having a good few years left on his contract, you ended getting a fairly poor fee for him.


pack it up, firstly I've never seen an Arsenal fan say this secondly, Fabregas wanted to move to Barca for several years and Wenger persuaded him to stay for an extra year on at least two occassions. This was a move coming for over 3 years that Fabregas HELPED Wenger by staying longer than he wanted. This move was certain from the last game in May basically and its rare that with a player you KNOW is moving they play a lot.

He also did have a hamstring injury, it was something that didn't prevent him playing all the previous year, but knocked him out of many games, and it knocked him out of plenty of games for Barca over the season.

Also Nasri continued to play up till he left... he played a SINGLE game, that was it, and that was more because it was looking increasingly likely he wouldn't leave, he missed multiple games, and Wenger, unlike with Fabregas who he'd persuaded to stay for at least two seasons longer than he wanted, was trying to keep Nasri at that point, not let him leave.

Fabregas compared to Nasri, when Fabregas made it clear he wanted to leave instead of winding down his contract like Nasri, he was persuaded to stay, sign a new contract and like Modric make the club a HELL of a lot more money than if he'd let his contract wind down like Nasri did.

Fabregas gave the club 2 more years after he was certain he wanted to go and did his best to get Arsenal as much money as he could, it could have been a free transfer and a **** you to Arsenal, it was neither. Nasri had one half decent season and then forced a move when Wenger clearly didn't want to sell.

The fact that City(and Utd) wanted to massively overpay for a average player with less than a year on his contract has no bearing on the money we got. Nasri is barely worth 10mil, maybe 15mil, and with a year left on his contract should have gone for similar money to Clichy, the fact City randomly paid 4 times more than he was worth, like they paid 2-3 times what Adebayor was worth, has no bearing on the fact that Barca didn't randomly spend 3 times as much as Fabregas was worth.
 
Not exactly crucial then

(Evra , Carrick, Rafael & RvP have already racked up that amount of starts, give or take, just after midway point of the season)

Let me know when that figure is 40 - 50
Well there is more competition in our team for places as well especially in Nasri's position.

And he was crucial actually, his goal v Chelsea and v Tottenham turned out to be very important indeed.
 
Believe what you want to believe DM. Nasri took part in pre-season and played/was available to play the start of the season before he left. Fabregas didn't and Wenger went from saying he was injured to him not being fit because he hadn't played during pre-season, to admitting his head wasn't in the right place. As for Wenger persuading him to stay - what persuasion was needed? He was contracted to Arsenal. I have no sympathy for players that want the guaranteed cash of a massive contract but then want to jump ship a year or two later. Fabregas didn't have the right to just leave when he wanted to. He signed a deal with Arsenal and should have honoured that until Arsenal received an offer they were happy to accept.

Anyway it was something I've seen the likes of Tim Payton mention on twitter every time Nasri's getting abused. A quick google finds a radio interview with him talking about Fabregas' behaviour - the interviewer even compares him to Adebayor :p

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/ki...gas-putting-arsenal-weak-negotiating-position
 
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