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Yeah I'm sure all the big clubs were after Viera, Petit, Ljungberg, Lauren, Wiltord, Fabregas, Toure they weren't on anyone's radar.

Overmars, Henry and Pires were known but hardly at the top of their game.
 
Going an entire season without losing was a fluke? How did you come to that conclusion?

I think I may of inadvertently took this thread off topic.

Not the season but finding the players. I think its a myth that wenger is great at developing youth players. I mean by youth as 15 year olds not 18 year old players already formed by other teams youth system.
 
I never said he was #1, I said he should be the #1 coach to play under for what he has done to English football. You could learn a lot playing under him and probably end up a much better player.

If you want trophies, just go to a club that wins trophies, it doesn't matter who manages Barca, Real or Bayern.

So Wenger is the only play bringing foreign players into the premier league, or even the first, is this some kind of ridiculous joke?

The majority of top notch players would pretty much improve from 18-23 no matter what team they played for as long as they actually played. Arsenal, like every other team in the world, has a massively larger list of failures than successes, and Wenger buying lots of foreign players is really no different to the majority of teams in the premier league.

Wenger DID NOT attract players, or foreign players, or make the premier league an exciting league at all. MONEY DID. Without the TV money 60-70% of the players who left Spain/Holland/Germany/Italy would have not have come to England. Money talks, always has.


In 95 Arsenal had 2 dutch players, that season having bought Platt and Bergkamp. In 96, first year under Wenger, they bought 5 players, 3 frenchies, 1 Icelandic player and one English player, giving 6 foreign players in the first team.

In 95 Utd had Schmeichel, Cantona and Prunier(yeah I have no idea who either) and bought Van der Gouw in that year as well, they sold Kanchelskis that season. In 96 they bought 5 players also, OGS, Johnsen, Poborsky, Cruyff and Sheringham.

Yup, Wenger was absolutely the first manager to buy exciting players, foreign players and have an exciting team. Cantona and Bergkamp only joined the league because of what Wenger did to it........

In 97 Arsenal bought 7-8 foreign players, but that is because 97-98 saw the tv money double. Utd had a stable title winning side that needed small changes, Arsenal were rebuilding under a new manager... shocking. Every team going through a major rebuild as the EPL tv money started to surpass every other league saw a huge influx of foreign players.

Not magic, absolutely nothing to do with Wenger, widespread throughout the league, easily explained. It also explains the change in approach, money breeds (somewhat) professionalism. When players were on sub 1k a week and > 1mil buys were very rare, being less than peak fitness wasn't a particularly big deal. What a club deems appropriate for players on £500 a week who cost them £5k to buy and for players who cost £40mil and take £5mil a year in wages from the are unsurprisingly not the same.

Wenger joined at the time money went through the roof, he may have been one of the first to take a more scientific approach in the league, but the league transformed because of what it was. Was he responsible for identical changes in basically every single possible sport you can name today.... I really don't think so. Sports science was not invented by Wenger, nor only used in football or even just the single league.

The professional "athlete" state footballers have grown into is visible from Utd down to Dag and Red, from football to ping pong.

The only sport I think has gone pretty much untouched by sports science, is darts, maybe bowling as well.
 
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Yeah I'm sure all the big clubs were after Viera, Petit, Ljungberg, Lauren, Wiltord, Fabregas, Toure they weren't on anyone's radar.

Overmars, Henry and Pires were known but hardly at the top of their game.



Well a quick google would suggest some were, also I feel like some of these are 'nobodies' due to the lack of knowledge of footballers outside of England unless they play for a large club(At the time).

Also not sure taking Fabregas from Barca youth is taking a nobody.

Kind of like crediting Liverpool for being the only ones in for Suarez and claiming he was a nobody, looking at Wiltord's record in France he seemed to be rather good at football
 
Premier league money has a lot to do with it. Would be interesting to note the number of foreign players coming to England after sky bought the rights and when the bosman ruling came to effect.
 
Premier league money has a lot to do with it. Would be interesting to note the number of foreign players coming to England after sky bought the rights and when the bosman ruling came to effect.

Tv money went up a lot with the prem league's start in 92, but 300mil or so over 4-5 years and 20 clubs wasn't massive. It doubled to 600mil in 97 when Arsenal had a bigger spending year. In 95 they spent 7.5mil on Bergkamp and 4.5mil on Platt, in 97 they could do the same again but also by another 4 players costing over 1mil each. Realistically it's the wages that increase when the tv money gets bumped up, so you could attract new players with the promise of higher wages.

If Overmars moves for 2 or 20mil, he doesn't see that, if he gets 15 or 40k a week is a difference to him and a very good reason for coming to England.

CL money was increasing over this time period as well, though I can't find a rough history of winnings per year only more recent increases. CL money is silly though, Juve got more money from the champs league than Bayern when they won it due to the market pool with about 40-45% is split proportionally to the tv market in the country the team comes from, the rest is a fixed payments. Bayern made way more in winnings but way less from the market pool so Juve ended up wtih €65mil where Bayern only got €55mil
 
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Where is this Glen Johnson to Utd rumour coming from? That's total nonsense, he is injured for an unknown amount of time, possibly the rest of the season and I have heard nothing on that rumour.
 
Where is this Glen Johnson to Utd rumour coming from? That's total nonsense, he is injured for an unknown amount of time, possibly the rest of the season and I have heard nothing on that rumour.

Add to the fact that he's not very good and transfers between Liverpool and United rarely happen.
 
Add to the fact that he's [G.Johnson] not very good ...

Damn straight.
We need quality players who are good enough to win Champions League games.
We need players to move us from 7th to 1st in the league.
I'm not sure if Johnson would even be on the bench for Man Utd, let alone start.
And he certainly wouldnt be in the 1st eleven, at Arsenal, Man City or Chelsea.

We can certainly buy some squad players (for low prices), BUT, if you are looking for 1st team players, G.Johnson just isn't good enough.

The only Liverpool player I'd like to see at Man Utd, would be Suarez.

Anyway, its good to see that Moyes' confidence is up, in the transfer market. I think last Summer, his confidence took a battering, when the transfer targets he thought he'd get easily, didnt happen. And the expensive player he did buyer turned out to be a complete waste - pretty impressive given that Moyes already had extensive knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of the big haired man.
 
NUFC reject £14million bid for Cabaye from PSG, Press Association Sport understands.

Pretty cheap opening offer from PSG.

Depends if the player wants to leave and if he really can go for 3mil by buying out his contract in summer, if so 3mil in summer or 14mil now. If true they've bid that much it probably does indicate that they believe he can buy out his contract in summer(others have suggested there may be a way for Newcastle to fight it).

Newcastle could end up with quite a bit more though if other clubs got involved in a bit of a bidding war, but again it goes back to the player. If he wants to go to PSG then he can turn down other clubs and they'd again be potentially back to the 14mil now, 3mil in summer situation.
 
NUFC reject £14million bid for Cabaye from PSG, Press Association Sport understands.

Pretty cheap opening offer from PSG.

Suddenly Utd are very interested in him ( from broadsheets rather than just blogs)

Always thought his best position was No 10 so I cant see that happening ( I know he can play as a cm but always been a little meh for me especially for the ~20M he is likely to go for in Jan)

Fabio and Zaha are reported to finally having their medicals today at Cardiff, happy for both of them to hopefullly grt some decent playing time.
 
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