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The Running Man said:
Very disheartening, especially following the whole 'we tried to under pay for Herrera,
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He's 24 and yet to make an appearance for the Spain Senior side. We would bid but would not match their valuation of 36m Euros. Which on the face of it considering he has had a stinker of a season makes good business and good footballing sense

The problem with you Nick is that you [always] are the nay sayer. If things turn out bad then you can say 'I told you so' If things turn out good, who gives a flying fig if your opinion is invariably wrong. You are always infallible.

You have had a downer on Fergie (Over rated, not tacitally aware), the squads he has built, dismantled and rebuilt and our period of success and none of it ever has been good enough.

I just don't get it with you
 
I have no problem with not winning, whilst things get put in place, but the past 3.5 to 4.5 seasons has been dire to watch. The football we play is terrible, we have no DNA, it's not exciting to watch. The transfers we've made have been crap, and I genuinely haven't had a clue how the club envisions itself.

We brought in Kagawa a genuinely talented player, and completely misuse him.
We've filled the squad with average joes:

Valencia (absolutely no brain, no technique, completely bewildering lack of ability)
Cleverley (No progress in 2.5 seasons)
Welbeck (No progress in 2.5 seasons)
Fellaini (£25 million not a chance, a squad player, but not a first 11)
Buttner (paid little, got little)
Young (complete spaz, ethics are vile)
Smalling (2.5 years, No progress, injury prone)
Jones (2.5 years, 57 apps, brittle, no progress, runs around like a headless chicken, apparently being able to run around for 90 minutes qualifies you to be in the first 11 of one of the top 5 biggest teams in football...)
Hernandez (Squad player, Solsjaer type, but again not exactly a rave signing)

This is without looking at the last generation that still lingers in Ferdinand, Evra, Anderson, Nani, Giggs and Vidic who are either too old, over the hill, or just haven't came good.

We have 2 (3 if you include Morrison) talents to come out of the academy, someone who genuinely looks like someone with a bit of genius and he's only a handful of games in. The other we virtually gave away and is now the best young player in the world...

Moyes signing was the culmination of an uninspiring period going back years, where we have no design, other than to ride our reputation til it's bled dry, well I think we're at that point, all that is left is a discombobulated heap.
 
Welbeck is improving. Never really seen Buttner play but his defending has to be better than Evra's.
I'd rather have Oviedo and Coleman over Evra and Rafael tbh. Rafa is constantly injured.

We need two mf in Jan and Mata.
 
NeedAUsername said:
Welbeck is improving. Never really seen Buttner play but his defending has to be better than Evra's.
I'd rather have Oviedo and Coleman over Evra and Rafael tbh. Rafa is constantly injured.

We need two mf in Jan and Mata.
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We'll never get Mata. What makes you think we will unless we paid something utterly ridiculous?
 
Robbo said:
We'll never get Mata. What makes you think we will unless we paid something utterly ridiculous?
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Because we can spend and Chelsea can't because of FFP. Just make a £35m-£40m bid to see what happens. He's exactly what we need.

Mata and Koke/Gundogan? I can dream though, right?
 
We'll have to end up with some quality players at some point, I just don't think it'll be this January. The best we can hope for at the moment is being able to field both RvP and Rooney for most of the remainder of the season.

There are tons of midfielders/players out there who would improve us though so maybe the club is working on something.
 
Robbo said:
We'll never get Mata. What makes you think we will unless we paid something utterly ridiculous?
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I don't think we'd sell him to you or any other PL club even if he wanted to go and we wanted to sell him, of which neither is the case at the moment anyway -

When asked about Mata, he said: "He trained in a fantastic way today. He was focused on what I say when I say I don't want him to leave, not that the door is open. He has moved on from that. No problems. There has been no interest. I keep saying I want him to stay.

"There is no offer from another Premier League club. Would we sell to another Premier League club? No."
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The Fredy Guarín move to Chelsea story rumbles on:

Inter Milan have rejected a £13 million bid from Chelsea for Fredy Guarín, their Colombia midfielder, but are prepared to sell the 27-year-old once their £15 million valuation is met.

José Mourinho is eager to bolster the centre of Chelsea’s midfield to consolidate his team’s position as Barclays Premier League contenders and his leading target is Guarín, who can also play on either wing. Negotiations are at an advanced stage.
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The Running Man said:
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I wasn't enthralled at seeing this. Its not just the horrific results, but the kind of football we play. We have had some truly embarrassing results and also similar performances to match. I guess there becomes a problem when public perception is this bad on the continent that even players from Italian non title runners can come out with a burst like that.

Very disheartening, especially following the whole 'we tried to under pay for Herrera,
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G|mp said:
If the current situation doesn't improve, Nick, like a lot of United fans are in for a rude awakening.
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Agree'd.

Some 'fans' have the expectation that the Trophy's will keep on rolling in with a change in manager. Fergie pretty much ruled the club from top to bottom. Not the business of Man Utd but the club. It's going to take a good three/four years before we see the real David Moyes Manchester United. The transition was always going to be painful and I don't believe for one minute some 'fans' realised how painful it will be if there measure of success is based purely on silverware.

The argument that well we won the league with that team last year doesn't wash.

- Rio probably had has swan song, played well but you could see he was on his last legs. Same with Vid

- RvP I do not believe he will have another season like last year. In and out of the team this year.

- Carrick had his best season for us but has been in and out with injury.

That's the spine of your team that needs replacing before you even discuss the virtues of how good or bad our wingers are.

The positives to take from this season upto now. Since Moyes has come in and more importantly Chris Woods, Dave has kicked on and has a level of consistency, potential to be the best in the league at an early age.

- Rafael up there with Zabaletta as one of the best RB's in the league because he can attack and defend.

- Wellbeck. Don't care if the 'experts' on here rate him or not, play him in his position and he scores.

- Rooney. See above, player of the season so far for us and probably one of the players up for Player of the Year award if he keeps this level of consistency

- The Defence problem. Glimpses of a solid foundation once Jones and Evans are played together. Too many injuries to prevent a foundation taking place

The fundamental problem with Utd or should I say Moyes is that he still does not know his best team and his hand is forced when you see comments like 'Cleverley had a lot of energy to his game' Easily translated to he runs a lot.

He has no other option than to play players like Clverley until we get a better replacement or he improves.

Once Moyes gets a level of consistency from the team that is his and he has built then I think it's open game to judge his suitability as Utd Manager
 
JohnnyG said:
I don't think we'd sell him to you or any other PL club even if he wanted to go and we wanted to sell him, of which neither is the case at the moment anyway -
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He will probably force Chelseas hand tbh, he has been frozen out for the first half of the season and looked like he was going to cry when subbed off last week.
 
Loki said:
Agree'd.

Some 'fans' have the expectation that the Trophy's will keep on rolling in with a change in manager. Fergie pretty much ruled the club from top to bottom. Not the business of Man Utd but the club. It's going to take a good three/four years before we see the real David Moyes Manchester United. The transition was always going to be painful and I don't believe for one minute some 'fans' realised how painful it will be if there measure of success is based purely on silverware.

The argument that well we won the league with that team last year doesn't wash.

- Rio probably had has swan song, played well but you could see he was on his last legs. Same with Vid

- RvP I do not believe he will have another season like last year. In and out of the team this year.

- Carrick had his best season for us but has been in and out with injury.

That's the spine of your team that needs replacing before you even discuss the virtues of how good or bad our wingers are.

The positives to take from this season upto now. Since Moyes has come in and more importantly Chris Woods, Dave has kicked on and has a level of consistency, potential to be the best in the league at an early age.

- Rafael up there with Zabaletta as one of the best RB's in the league because he can attack and defend.

- Wellbeck. Don't care if the 'experts' on here rate him or not, play him in his position and he scores.

- Rooney. See above, player of the season so far for us and probably one of the players up for Player of the Year award if he keeps this level of consistency

- The Defence problem. Glimpses of a solid foundation once Jones and Evans are played together. Too many injuries to prevent a foundation taking place

The fundamental problem with Utd or should I say Moyes is that he still does not know his best team and his hand is forced when you see comments like 'Cleverley had a lot of energy to his game' Easily translated to he runs a lot.

He has no other option than to play players like Clverley until we get a better replacement or he improves.

Once Moyes gets a level of consistency from the team that is his and he has built then I think it's open game to judge his suitability as Utd Manager
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So it takes Moyes 4 years to change a team, however every other manager can do it within a year, usually within a couple of months.

I.e Rodgers, Martinez, Pellegrini, Mourinho, AVB (granted. Not for the better, but his philosophy was clear early on and changed them), even down to managers like Mark Hughes and Sam Allardyce.

Every other manager on the planet ignites a change in philosophy almost straight away and changes the style to his liking, Moyes takes 4 years though with the 2nd largest commercial team on the planet. Yeah, very believable. You're as deluded as the rest of the faithful, teams and clubs aren't infallible, especially one with no semblance of structure or direction any longer.

Fergie/Phelan succeeded through fear and a dynasty he'd built, nobody cares about that any longer, teams no longer shrink in the last 20 minutes or recognise a team with talents to fear.

And now we've been found wanting, with a manager with **** all credentials. Other than he could penny pinch his way to mediocrity.
 
the very point with Moyes is he hasn't made any changes. All those other managers you listed quite rightly came in and made changes, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. They made changes, the only thing Moyes did was replace a high quality staff with a staff who are seemingly not as good. Most importantly because he didn't change the playing staff, replacing the coaching staff who already know the quirks of how each player likes to train, which may look a touch tired and need a break, little things you learn over time. It was one of the biggest managing mistakes I can think of frankly.

If he changed half the team then the new and old coaching staff would have been as familiar with newer players, getting rid of them is a huge disadvantage and utterly stupid in every conceivable way. Fergie directly told him, consistently, keep the coaching staff in place....


Moyes hasn't shown a single sign of any change at all. Whatever his best system, style, whatever is, he's trying to play the Fergie way, with Fergie's players...... but he's not Fergie and is failing miserably.

Welbeck scores for Utd if you play him upfront? So would ANY footballer, even Ameobi would score a couple. A broken clock is right twice a day, a terrible footballer who shoots EVERYWHERE will also hit the target now and then by complete accident and will score as well. My mum would score eventually played game after game as a striker for Utd, so would everyone in this thread. Goals scored alone is a awful way to rate a player. Welbeck is an awful footballer, nothing less, that doesn't mean he's incapable of scoring, it doesn't mean he won't have the odd actually good game.

He says the spine is almost gone from the team and that isn't Moyes's fault, no, but it IS his fault he hasn't replaced them. He could have come in and sold Rio and brought in some new guys, he didn't. He could have sold Carrick, Anderson, anyone really, he didn't.

Martinez by some wasn't rated because Wigan got relegated, but he came into Everton had no problem dropping players, selling fluff, making a mint off Fellaini, buying the right guys, changing the style, bringing a new mentality(it's called, winning games) instantly. Not with 6 months to check the players. Moyes has been in the league for a decade, he's played Utd what I assume would be at least 25 times. he should be very familiar with the team before he ever took the job, he should have known almost every player completely before the season started.

Don't forget that apart from buying a woeful player for a ridiculous sum, he wasted months going after a completely unavailable player who most likely never have joined Utd even if he was available.

Moyes is an inept pratt, and it's literally insane to suggest you can't rate him for 4 years. If you want to judge Moyes's team in 4 years, look at Everton, he'll ruin every striker there currently and that he buys(3/4 of the way there now), he'll bring a losing mentality, make the team awful against the top four, you'll win no cups, you'll show no tactical ability in the biggest games.
 
shipinabottle said:
So it takes Moyes 4 years to change a team, however every other manager can do it within a year, usually within a couple of months.

I.e Rodgers, Martinez, Pellegrini, Mourinho, AVB (granted. Not for the better, but his philosophy was clear early on and changed them), even down to managers like Mark Hughes and Sam Allardyce.

Every other manager on the planet ignites a change in philosophy almost straight away and changes the style to his liking, Moyes takes 4 years though with the 2nd largest commercial team on the planet. Yeah, very believable. You're as deluded as the rest of the faithful, teams and clubs aren't infallible, especially one with no semblance of structure or direction any longer.

Fergie/Phelan succeeded through fear and a dynasty he'd built, nobody cares about that any longer, teams no longer shrink in the last 20 minutes or recognise a team with talents to fear.

And now we've been found wanting, with a manager with **** all credentials. Other than he could penny pinch his way to mediocrity.
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Exactly mate

Because of the Dynasty that was built it will take longer to change. But hey lets not look at our run of inconsistent results as evidence for that. Nor should we look at other Dynastys from History such as Liverpool, AC Milan, Ajax who dominated all before them domestically who have found consistent success to be elusive by their own standards.

I guess me and the other deluded fans how you so eloquently put it understand that success in football comes from stability and consistency as proved with having Fergie for the time we did. By changing manager now what is that going to do for us. Another manager who will still have to manage the group that we have and bring his own players in.
 
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Baines has pulled out of today's match supposedly due to injuy.

Can not wait for the papers to go mad.
 
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