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What's worrying me about the Cabaye situation is him saying he want's to stay. I'd rather Cabaye said he want's to go!

Last time Cabaye said he wanted to go, we did all we could to keep him. Ashley never does what a player wants, and if Cabaye want's to stay, then Ashley will sell him!!

Also isn't there a clause in his contract this summer that he can essentially buy it out for £3m then go anywhere he wants for free. So therefore any club can buy him in the summer for £3m!
 
And when they didn't instantly hit it off would be another stick to beat moyes with, buying who was available and calling them average. I think the time has come to battle for whatever you can get with the squad you have and spend more on quality players in the summer rather than average in January.

I think the only people who ever get decent deals in January are the smaller clubs looking for bargains.

Exactly.

I don't want us to pay over the odds panicking in January like most people want us to do, I would love a couple of Worldies if we could get them but as we know, the really big players don't move in Jan. This seasons a right off anyway now so save the money till the summer instead of panicking and buying stop gaps for more than we should.

It will be Moyes' fault whatever happens. Not the incompetent Woodward who is bang on at signing sponsors but seems to struggle with players :/
 
Is Montolivo worth £30m? Not so sure. He'd be an improvement but he's also 29. Is this going to be like your N'zogbia crusade again?
 
Eligibility for our Champions League campaign doesn't matter now, getting top four does. Of course if we won the Champions League that would be great, but we'll need some insane luck (similar to what Chelsea had).

I think January does make things more difficult, but certainly not impossible. If we, for arguments sake, finish 6th and then go after Vidal in the summer, I can't see that coming off...

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On the subject of some actual transfer news, James Horncastle says Juventus and Inter are currently sorting out a swap deal, Vucinic for Guarin. Does this mean we've convinced Marchisio or something? Probably not. :p
 
It's also somewhat ridiculous to say no one good enough is available... given that in the past very good players have moved in the January Window - Ivanovic, Sturridge, Suarez, Vidic, Evra, Mascherano, etc, etc... I'd list Torres and Carroll, but people would spack out (obviously they didn't turn out to be successful signings, but the point is that there were big moves going on).

Really?

The only player you have named there is Suarez, who iirc Liverpool took a punt on because he was having a tough time in Holland, there wasn't anyone else after him at the time (or was willing to take the gamble)

Sturridge couldn't get a game at Chelsea, the rest were unknowns apart from Mascherano (and wasn't that him wanting out and forcing a move anyway?)
 
We've been playing a low risk transfer strategy since berbatov. Unwilling to break our transfer record and go for say kagawa or zaha instead of hazard or oscar. Look how it's paid off so far.
 
I didn't claim they were well known superstars who were household names everywhere, did I? The point is that very good players can be, and have been, signed in January.

We're talking about big players moving in January, you said they do and then named a load of unknowns. :confused:
 
Really?

The only player you have named there is Suarez, who iirc Liverpool took a punt on because he was having a tough time in Holland, there wasn't anyone else after him at the time (or was willing to take the gamble)

Sturridge couldn't get a game at Chelsea, the rest were unknowns apart from Mascherano (and wasn't that him wanting out and forcing a move anyway?)

How big a player they were is irrelevant, each of those players listed has been key to their club or clubs, the only relevant thing is how good that player is.

Every single year without fail, a bunch of guys go for anything from free to 15mil, have brilliant seasons and are then considered top players. There has and always will be undervalued players, under rated players, and players available for good prices in EVERY transfer window. There are lots of over valued, over rated players that get bought in most transfer windows.

Ivanovic was a top notch buy, as was Sturridge. Sturridge was being underused due to an owner who wanted a guy like Torres and wanted him to be playing and a manager trying to get form out of a 50mil player. Sturridges quality was very obvious for anyone that was looking and Liverpool shouldn't be commended as much as other clubs should be mocked for not trying to get him.
 
How big a player they were is irrelevant, each of those players listed has been key to their club or clubs, the only relevant thing is how good that player is.

Every single year without fail, a bunch of guys go for anything from free to 15mil, have brilliant seasons and are then considered top players. There has and always will be undervalued players, under rated players, and players available for good prices in EVERY transfer window. There are lots of over valued, over rated players that get bought in most transfer windows.

Ivanovic was a top notch buy, as was Sturridge. Sturridge was being underused due to an owner who wanted a guy like Torres and wanted him to be playing and a manager trying to get form out of a 50mil player. Sturridges quality was very obvious for anyone that was looking and Liverpool shouldn't be commended as much as other clubs should be mocked for not trying to get him.

It's a risk though and that's exactly my point, we can't afford to take a punt on what might become a top player for us and in the process probably pay over the odds.

I doubt many people thought Ivanovic was a great buy at the time or if they had even heard of him in the first place.

Sturridge was a risk as well, he wasn't playing enough and when he did he looked greedy, Liverpool took a punt and it worked out. Do you think Man Utd should take a punt on someone who is sitting on the bench at another club? How do you think that will go down?
 
I used the words very good players. And I didn't just list a load of unknowns - eg. Evra was playing for Monaco and France, not Ulan Bator. Torres and Carroll were obviously well known. Vidic was the most expensive defender in Russian football history and in the Serbian national team. Ivanovic was in the Serbian national team. Etc. All these players would be reasonably well known to any team who has a barely competent scouting network. Ivanovic was £10m odd, Vidic ~£7m, Evra £5.5m, Torres £50m (lol), Carroll £35m (lol), Suarez £22m, Sturridge £12m and Mascherano on loan then £18m.

All big/significant signings of very good players. Obviously we're not talking Messi/Ronaldo level signings, but the above demonstrates that very good players have moved for big/significant sums in January windows.

So you see where your little lol's are in there? That will be the risk :)

Household names like "The most expensive defender in Russia" and a "Serbian defender" I'm a Man Utd fan and I didn't have a clue who Vidic was when we signed him so don't make out like we all knew him. Same goes for Evra, I had seen him in the CL final when he was at Monaco and he looked like a winger, that was all I knew about him.

I might be wrong here but I think you'll find Lizarazu was the French LB who played for Bayern Munich, so unlike Evra was well known.
 
Can Manyoo afford to not take a punt, given their league position and relative strength compared with their rivals for fourth spot? And obviously they don't have to be players sitting on the bench at another club.

Why throw millions at it now and possibly miss out on easier to get targets in the summer?

You could also say that if the Glazers are looking at it from a half empty point of view, why would they give Moyes millions to spend.
 
It's a risk though and that's exactly my point, we can't afford to take a punt on what might become a top player for us and in the process probably pay over the odds.

I doubt many people thought Ivanovic was a great buy at the time or if they had even heard of him in the first place.

Sturridge was a risk as well, he wasn't playing enough and when he did he looked greedy, Liverpool took a punt and it worked out. Do you think Man Utd should take a punt on someone who is sitting on the bench at another club? How do you think that will go down?


People are acting like you need 3-4 top players, and that is it? What, have you seen the squad? During Fergie's best years, what happened, you still had to buy people every year because people get old, other players move on. There is CONSTANT squad turnover, that doesn't and won't change.

You STILL need the 2-3 buys a season outside of the massive players you need, regardless of if you buy Fabregas or Messi, you still need a back up in midfield who is good enough for rotation and has the potential to be as good as Fabregas in the future.

You still need a replacement for Valencia, and fullbacks, probably a CB with more potential than Smalling/Jones are showing.

You still have to plan for 3-4 years from now as well as this month. You still need 4 18-21yr olds who can offer something to the squad today and may become first team in 2-3 years.

One of the main reasons Utd has gone wrong is because their current crop, Fabio, Cleverley, Welbeck, Jones, Smalling, aren't good enough. If they were the team would be much stronger. The idea that if the club signs 3 world class players, no other players will ever leave and planning for 2-3 years from now is not warranted, is nuts. It also ignores the fact that top notch players can be failures, Utd have had enough to know this, as have most clubs.

Utd need 10+ players in the next 18-24 months, because I see Vidic, Rio, Fabio, Valencia, Young and Anderson(after his loan) all being gone within that time frame at most, maybe all in 6 months, that is 5 players to replace, 2-3 world class players won't do that.

Utd need 2-4 really top notch players, 3-5 18-21 yr olds with potential, and probably 1-2 squad players, more established, 23-28yr old range who can improve the team but aren't going to be setting the world alight. It's not a punt, this is how Utd won titles, and Arsenal, and City, and Chelsea, and Real, and Barca.

Barca took a punt on a midget child who turned into the best player on the planet. City took a punt on 5mil Kompany who turned out to be the best CB in the league, Chelsea took a punt on Lampard and a punt on Shevchenko, one worked out, one didn't. Every top club is made up of a collection of youngsters who cost sub 1mil and usually anything from 12-18 who eventually come through, some first team, some squad members. A collection of Ronaldo types, 10-15mil on 18-21 yr olds who look something special, and several 10-30mil players who are actually pretty much the finished article. You can't exclusively go after 30mil + big name players, because Utd's normal business, even if the team was great now, would be to buy these younger players with potential EVERY year, as every other big club does every year.
 
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