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I've been out most of the day. What did I miss?
It's okay, we're in on the joke that Liverpool is
Rooney and Phil Neville just followed Mata on Twitter.
Brings back memories of Willian. You just need Rooney to like a picture of his on Instagram and he'll end up signing for Chelsea.
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Would rather our owners stuck to their guns with transfer targets than see £50 million wasted on utter garbage again. We can't compete with City and Chelsea so will have to look for other targets.
STOP MAKING JULIAN MAD!
Schalke Chairman Clemens Tonnies has said we need to stop making Julian Draxler mad. I don't think there's any chance whatsoever of him coming to Arsenal in this window, possibly in the summer but it depends how much Schalke would want for him. I don't think we should really be looking at a swap deal involving Podolski going the other way either.
At this moment in time I don't think we really need a player like him and his rumoured price tag is quite clearly based on potential more than current ability. Be interesting to see if he does actually arrive in the summer, Wenger might look to switch him from a wide player to a forward similar to how Henry and van Persie developed at Arsenal. I'd be happy if we just signed a forward on loan if there's anybody available, Berbatov has that style where he looks like he was practically born to play for Arsenal so I'm not sure why we haven't made an approach for him even if it was just a short term contract.
Personally i think with the whole Draxler thing is that maybe we are trying to sew up a pre-contract signing as come the summer his buy out clause kicks in and also other teams will be circling around. So makes sense for Arsenal to get him to agree to come to us next season and save ourselves, what a £30mill buyout clause iirc.
Again just my personal opinion and id hate to lose Poldi but i dont think he fits into the system at Arsenal. Although saying that, everytime i see him play he does a pretty decent job on the left wing so god only knows why he cant get a place in the starting lineup with us.
Normality is resumed.
Scousers fighting eachother like they've found a KFC in the bin.
LOL
I agree if difference was something like 20m but when it's like 4m and he is supposedly our target and would improve us then no we should take the risk especially when we have no depth. We won't compete with the teams you mentioned until were in champions league anyway I mean when it comes to signing players btw
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As far as I know Draxler is in contract until 2016 or so, so we can't sign him up on a pre-contract anyway. I think his buy out clause is something astronomical like £40,000,000 but I might be wrong about that and it might even be Euros not Pounds. The only reason Podolski hasn't been in the squad much this season is because he's been injured for four months of it if you remember, he had a very good debut season and he's far and away our best finisher. I think he fits in well, he has great movement off the ball and he makes the right choices the majority of the time. He's right in his prime years it'd be madness to try and ship him out.
£4m on a player we value at just £8m is a big jump? Maybe, just maybe if we were absolutely desperate for another forward or had no other alternatives but we're not in that situation. Nobody can complain about a lack of goals and creativity in our side. Yes it would be nice to have another forward but we're not desperate and certainly not desperate enough to pay 50% more than what we think the guy's worth.
As I heard somebody else say, Liverpool's single biggest issue in the last 4-5 years (H&G aside) has been wasting money on players. If we sign a player and he flops, we're lumbered with him - we're in a situation where we pay higher wages than 90% of clubs and if we sign a player and he flops, the clubs that might be interested in him can't afford his wages. We can't afford to make too many mistakes in the transfer market and that's why the club have got to be extra careful with their dealings and stick to their valuations.
If you want to complain about something, complain about who we're targeting rather than valuations. Despite it being clear as day to many that we're short of numbers and quality in central midfield, the club seem happy with what we've got.
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I am quite proud f how Liverpool are run now, we won't offer inflated transfer fees and won't pay high wages. We are still recovering from Purslow and Hodgson and Dalglish's terrible signings and wages (mostly).
However sometimes to get the players you need and whom will keep you pushing for the champions league you after go above your value, a couple of mil is maybe reasonable.
As for Salah I am very annoyed but I still feel we need a LB, DM and a backup ST first and foremost.
However sometimes to get the players you need and whom will keep you pushing for the champions league you after go above your value, a couple of mil is maybe reasonable.
As for Salah I am very annoyed but I still feel we need a LB, DM and a backup ST first and foremost.
Hmm some places are saying his buyout is £34mill or 45mill euros but who really knows what it is other than Schalke and they dont want to sell him. But i suppose if the price is right then they will.
As for Poldi?? i agree with you, id be saddened if Wenger shipped him out but tbh he wants playing time which at the moment he isnt getting and its WC year as well. Personally i want to see Poldi play more now that he is back fit and ready to play, hes an excellent finisher as you said and Wenger is nuts not playing him more.
I'm just reading about Johnson's injury problems:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/23/liverpool-glen-johnson-brendan-rodgers
If missing out on Salah allows us to sign a fullback and/or a DM, I'd take that.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/23/liverpool-glen-johnson-brendan-rodgers
If missing out on Salah allows us to sign a fullback and/or a DM, I'd take that.
I was meaning over all not particular salah it's happened last2 transfer windows I'm not saying do it for every single transfer but at times we will need to go above are valuation if we don't we will miss out on allot of our targets
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We've got SaSaS as well as Coutinho for the front 2/3 positions, depending on how we line up, and Allen, Henderson, Gerrard and Coutinho for the midfield. That's only 7 players for 6 spots in the team but a number of those players can play in the attacking positions. The priority should be in the defensive positions during this window which is where are weakness lies. A DM first and foremost followed by a LB and RB or a player that can play both positions.
Edit: Forgot about Ass Pass and Alberto although I'm not sure Rodgers fancies either but we've got more than enough attacking options to make the Salah transfer pointless.
There has to come a point where you say it's too much though, surely? You set a value based on what the player is worth to you, taking into account their ability (age etc) and how important that player could be to the side & your objectives.
I've said before, until we're in the CL and can afford to spend big, we can't be too picky over who we go for. We've got to be opportunistic and take advantage of chances to sign undervalued players or calculated gambles. Stattos will tell you that 50% of transfers fail and we're not rich enough to pay over the odds on players when there's that big a chance that the player will flop. The Chelsea's and City's of this world can though.
I've said before, until we're in the CL and can afford to spend big, we can't be too picky over who we go for. We've got to be opportunistic and take advantage of chances to sign undervalued players or calculated gambles. Stattos will tell you that 50% of transfers fail and we're not rich enough to pay over the odds on players when there's that big a chance that the player will flop. The Chelsea's and City's of this world can though.
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But Salah is 21 so should increase his value, I know FSG like to buy younger players who will improve and increase valuation so Salah seemed ideal. I still think Basel would have taken 10mil and if we would only offer £8mil that seems a little stubborn.
If we are too picky in who we sign based on valuations we will end up with the likes of Aspas, Llori, and Alberto who between them cost £23mil but are deemed not good enough to play much at the minute. Whats the point?
If we are overly cautious with money we won't likely make the top 4 this season and that should see the end of Suarez.
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If you think Chelsea only knew about Salah because we'd put a bid in, you've got the blinkers on. It didnt matter when we tried to do the business, they were always going to come in.
Exactly. By making our move we've forced other interested clubs' hands.
Andy Carroll had only just turned 22 when we signed him, did he increase in value?
And why do you think Basel would have took £10m? They weren't in a hurry to sell for the very reason we're seeing now. They had nothing to lose - they hoped we'd either pay up to tie the deal up early or another club would come in and start a bidding war, knowing they had us as a fall back or even a sale for a similar amount in the summer.
For every Asap & Alberto (even though he and Ilori were signed for the long-term) you have a Coutinho and Sturridge. Like the stattos say, 50% success rate. And by being picky and not cautious in the transfer market it didn't work out any more successful under Dalglish and Comolli.
Hindsight's wonderful but one thing's certain, if we overpay and the player flops, supporters complain. If we stick to our valuations and miss out on players, supporters complain.
edit: and with what's going on with Anelka and what happened with Suarez, maybe we dodged a bullet:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Salah-refuse-shake-hands-Israelis-twice.html
Andy Carroll had only just turned 22 when we signed him, did he increase in value?
And why do you think Basel would have took £10m? They weren't in a hurry to sell for the very reason we're seeing now. They had nothing to lose - they hoped we'd either pay up to tie the deal up early or another club would come in and start a bidding war, knowing they had us as a fall back or even a sale for a similar amount in the summer.
For every Asap & Alberto (even though he and Ilori were signed for the long-term) you have a Coutinho and Sturridge. Like the stattos say, 50% success rate. And by being picky and not cautious in the transfer market it didn't work out any more successful under Dalglish and Comolli.
Hindsight's wonderful but one thing's certain, if we overpay and the player flops, supporters complain. If we stick to our valuations and miss out on players, supporters complain.
edit: and with what's going on with Anelka and what happened with Suarez, maybe we dodged a bullet:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Salah-refuse-shake-hands-Israelis-twice.html
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