Japanese Grand Prix 2010, Suzuka - Race 16/19

Just finished watching the race on IPlayer, here's my immediate observations:

Webber = Getting all the luck of a champion, Kubica's wheel falling off was like a gift from god (and it's not the first bit of luck he's had in the last few races).

Hamilton = Better luck next year and less idiocy under pressure please.

Button = A strategic brain can't compensate for being slow, gambling won't work every race as proved today.

Kobayashi = LEGEND, it's just a shame that Sauber left him out for so long on the wrong tyres. I'd love to see him at a better team.
 
Also when the commentary cut to 5Live David Croft mentioned that Kobayashi did a Leeroy Jenkins, so I guess he is a fairly serious World of Warcraft player. :p
 
Button = A strategic brain can't compensate for being slow, gambling won't work every race as proved today.

I don't think Button's strategy worked against him; he took 4th from the race - that was the best he could really hope for.

Kobayashi = LEGEND, it's just a shame that Sauber left him out for so long on the wrong tyres. I'd love to see him at a better team.

See, I'm not sure he was on the wrong tyres. He was faster than the people behind him, and was slowly building the gap he needed to come out without losing as many places. Had he changed earlier, all that would have happened is that he would have had to pass more people with less of an advantage.
 
Interestingly, on the subject of being slow, stab a guess at who had the second fastest lap today ;)

Which is why it's all the more baffling why they went with the different strategy. The softs have always held up well this season. Yet for some reason he thought they wouldn't at suzuka with not enough data or running.

If he had started on the soft and ran as fast as we know he could, he wouldn't have held his team mate up and both could have had a shot at alonso.

Why mclaren kept him out so long on the wrong tyre is anyones guess.
 
Still, slowness wasn't really his issue today, it was being on the Prime for far too long rather than the Option.

If he'd been on the Option tyre longer whilst everyone else was having to run on or switch to the Prime, that speed advantage may have been more useful to him.
 
Also when the commentary cut to 5Live David Croft mentioned that Kobayashi did a Leeroy Jenkins, so I guess he is a fairly serious World of Warcraft player. :p

I laughed when I heard that. The Wiki entry for 'Leeroy Jenkins' was updated shortly afterwards too, and this was mentioned. :)
 
Red Bull look set to take the titles now - question is, will it be Vettel or Webber?

I hope Webber gets it. It'll be his only chance. Vettel has time.

I think Lewis is done with his gearbox today and the possibility of another 5 place penalty next race. Alonso will probably need another engine and unless he has some stella results (1st place) he won't get the points.

All in all it is going to be a awesome end to the season. :D
 
When it comes to tyres and compounds I'm pretty clueless what regulations do Bridgestone (and Pirelli next year) have to adhere to regarding tyres?

Is there set rules on the compounds and how big the differences between the primes and options or do they just bring what they want depending on the track?

But I agree the tyres this season have been ridiculous way too hard wearing.
 
I have to say, when the commentary cut out on BBC's live feed and they reverted to Croft/Davison, it really made the commentary team of Leggard and Brundle sound poor. Seriously, why don't they replace Leggard with somebody else...Leggard is terrible?
 
Hamilton
The luck just isn't with Hamilton.

In this race, he had a crash, which meant he had hardly any track time. Button should've got ahead.

In qualifying, Hamilton did a 'Hamilton Special' and did well to qualify 3rd.

Then he has to take a grid penalty to haul him backwards.

Then come race start, he does well to get ahead of those who started in front of him. He even over took Button (in the pits) by going very quickly. Then the lady luck broke his gearbox, which was apparently new and allowed Button to overtake him.

No matter what Hamilton did this weekend, he was never going to beat any of his major rivals.

The Championship
Vettel and Alonso are now level pegging and this is something which would concern Alonso. Vettel is a top line driver (despite what many people on this forum say) and he is in a better car. Alonso will have to make up the difference. Vettel is the danger man.

Alonso
During the middle of the season I was really questioning whether or not Alonso was the best in F1, as most people regard him. However, since the middle of the season he has been stellar. He is outperforming his team-mate by a very big margin. Kubica is doing the same, though I feel Alonso's team-mate is better than Kubica's team-mate. If Kubica were to ever move to Ferrari (with Alonso), it would be a mouth-watering prospect. Alonso has definitely been my driver of the year so far.

Webber
As for Webber: I think it would quite embarrassing if somebody of his ability won the title this year. He certainly is not of the same calibre of MSc, Senna, Prost, Hamilton, Button, etc. If Webber wins the title, I feel that the title would be devalued somewhat.

I still believe that Vettel will finish ahead of Webber, but we shall have to wait and see.

One redeeming quality if Webber this year is his luck - he really has had fantastic luck. Today's departure of Kubica is a great example of this.
 
imo softs should last as close to 33% of a race distance as they can get
hards should last around 50%

drivers must use both tyres during the race. :D

all the tyres this year are a joke

The only time the tyres have been 'good' at actually affecting the race in a major way was Canada where the softer tyre would only last 10 laps or so before becoming useless. Last race Mark Webber made the soft tyre last the majority of the race which should be impossible IMO. The softer tyre should not last more than half the race without falling apart almost.
 
Why are people talking about pace/speed button had, he was significantly faster than a guy without 3rd gear, on anything but an oval thats going to kill you.

HE was gaining 2 seconds a lap on Hamilton, and gaining next to nothing on Alonso. Uber new soft tyres with no fuel while everyone else was on MUCH less fresh hards and he didn't gain in the front 3 at all. One or two very good laps, that still weren't the fastest, mostly with the front 3 not trying, at all, means he was pretty slow. I mean till the final 3 laps when the Red Bulls were playing silly games trying to get the fastest lap they weren't trying, just cruising from lap 40, Alonso the same, just cruising to 3rd, Button was pushing out of his skin, on better tyres and couldn't gain on 3 guys cruising.

Hamilton on the less fresh hard tyres was gaining on Alonso a LOT faster than Button on fresher and faster soft tyres. Alonso wasn't in the dirty air yet as Hamilton gained on him, admittedly the Red bulls were being held up massively by Button so he wasn't really gaining on them. But he was certainly faster than Alonso.

Button was slower than the rest of the top 6 today, as per usual, and his strategy worked against him.

Better strategy may, just may have gotten him a position in the pits, but seriously unlikely as he just doesn't ever have the pace.

What the strategy may have done, just, is if Hamilton's gearbox hadn't gone(did button pit before or right after the gearbox went?) he could have continued to hold up the front 3 by a second or two a lap and let Hamilton gain right up on all three and frankly had a very decent shot of passing Alonso, unlikely the other two unless still stuck behind Button.

I did suggest that might have been the strategy all along as we've seen people do the whole race on hards and pit on the last lap. When you look behind Hamilton Button had he pitted in the 10th of the 52nd lap was safe in 5th spot and was never getting close to 4th. It would have been interesting if Hamilton's gear box hadn't gone, the question is was the strategy a team strategy to hold up the front guys as much as possible, or was it just Button making a pretty daft choice?
 
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I totally agree - Button had very little pace and only got passed Hamilton because Hamilton had a broken car. Without the car advantage, Button would've came in 5th, regardless of whichever pit stop strategy he used. Button is your classic 'steady eddie'. He is a fantastic No.2 driver and exactly what McLaren need for Hamilton, ie. when Hamilton has problems up ahead, Button will take Hamilton's place and score a decent amount of points. Right now, there just isn't another driver like Button and for this reason, if I were building a team, he would be the first driver I would hire, with the other berth going to either Alonso or Hamilton (both of these drivers are inter-changeable and as good as each other), who I would hire as the lead driver.

One thing Button has is intelligence. He knows he can't beat the RBR cars. But he believes that he might have a stab at Hamilton or Alonso, however, he knows he can't do it on raw pace as Alonso/Hamilton are a bit special in the speed department. To this end, he decided to try out a completely different strategy and see if it allowed him to get some form of advantage. Somebody like Hamilton, just wouldn't have the sense to analyse his race and come up with a pit stop strategy, in the same way Button did.
 
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