This was all a massively intelligent plan from Mark Webber
LOL.
So Webber managed to "take out" Hamilton in Singapore AND in the next race.
Moral of the story, "Don't mess with Webber".
Japanese Grand Prix 2010, Suzuka - Race 16/19
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LOL.
So Webber managed to "take out" Hamilton in Singapore AND in the next race.
Moral of the story, "Don't mess with Webber".
LOL.
So Webber managed to "take out" Hamilton in Singapore AND in the next race.
Moral of the story, "Don't mess with Webber".
Definitely, that car can flex and smash other cars up while going on to finish races
Ask Jos Verstappen and the pit crew.
The FIA investigated the cause if the fire and found that a filter was missing from both the refuelling rigs which sped up the fuel flow. Benetton went to the hearing and pleaded guilty.
The punishment from the FIA? Nothing. Zip. Zero. Not a sausage.
To be fair, in 1994, punishments were not handed down so readily. These days, if a driver collides with another driver, the incident is immediately looked at by the Stewards. They have even got to the stage where they have hired a former driver to adjudicate with the stewards over incidents.
Entering rant mode...
In 1994, if you make a mistake, you own up, accept that it was a mistake and move on. There was none of this nonsensical witch hunt which we see in 2010.
In 1989/1990 Prost and Senna had comings together on the track and won titles as a result. To my memory there was no punishments handed out.
In 1994 MSc took out his main rival to win the title. In 2010, he would've been banned, fined and Lord knows what other punishments would've been handed.
It has got to a stage where if a driver lets his team-mate through, his team must attend a World Council hearing, with possible repercussions. IMO, this strict form of punishments is destroying real racing. Drivers (Hamilton excepted), are too scared to overtake in case they cause a crash and end up with some form of punishment.
In 2007, when McLaren were using Ferrari data, they received a punishment which was completely out of proportion to the offence. In years gone by, spying was part of F1 (and probably still is).
McLaren should've been give a token fine (say US$5M) and told not bring the sport into disrepute. IMO, this over-the-top punishment opened the floodgates.
Grid penalties: in 1992 when I really got hooked on F1, I don't even remember there being such a thing. Stop go penalties, drive through penalties...penalty penalty penalty...it really is getting ridiculous.
I liked the age where men were men and drove as hard as they could. If they came together, they "discussed" the crash...sometimes with their fists (Senna and Mansell knew about this and MSc was also on the verge of using a fist on Coulthard). But they sorted it all out themselves.
In 2010: if you get blocked on track, you complain and hope the Stewards give someone a penalty. If it were me, I wouldn't ask for a driver to be penalised...I would merely pay him back in kind in a future race. I would also give him a wink when I saw him outside of the car and hope that he makes a lunge for me.
Unfortunately, the days of lenience are gone and I must accept that Hamilton and Kobayashi are probably the only 2 drivers who are now willing to make 50-50 overtakes. The remaining drivers are far too fearful of the Stewards and the repercussions, as a result of which rather than make a daredevil move they will begrudgingly follow a slower car around a track till the end of the race.
How exactly do you think launch control works in a way that makes it different from traction control?
Schumacher makes the best starts? He's never been known as a great starter, good at aiming his car at another off the start but not really a notorious fast starter. He might have done well in 94 and this year but previously he's not been outstanding.
TO be fair to schuey hey has had some epic starts this year. Actually, thinking about it; he hasn't taken himself out on any first laps (IIRC?), he's gained positions at almost (if not every) start this year and most races he's gained 3+ places on the first lap.
Kobayashi to Ferrari please.
Mercedes for me for him. I really like him, wild and as good an overtaker as sato but with more raw pace. I'd hate him to go to ferrari and get Alonso'd.
Although the market for a japanese driver to do well would make him a huge huge star I think Mercedes would be a great stepping stone for him. Although it's unlikely right now theres a spare seat anywhere. Red Bull would be nice as well.
I presume you are talking about the effect where the driver arrives or is already at Ferrari...full of confidence and hope.
He then drives alongside Alonso, where his lap times and race positions are directly compared with Alonso.
Gradually as the season wears on the driver becomes dejected at the apparent unexplained lack of pace.
Eventually, the said driver is kicked out of Ferrari and into a lesser team. Dejected and suffering from a loss of confidence, a year or two later, the said driver ends up being kicked out of F1.
Is this the effect you are referring to?
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Very interesting bit of information from the F1Fanatic forums, how the last 3 teams would be looking if they were the only cars racing.
Trulli is looking bad compared to Heikki, although that may be down to reliability, and look at Chandhok, seems a bit of a joke that he was dropped.
Trulli is looking bad compared to Heikki, although that may be down to reliability, and look at Chandhok, seems a bit of a joke that he was dropped.
Soldato
Surprised at Timo being beaten by Di Grassi in that too.
Go Heikki!
Go Heikki!
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Highlights - Japanese Grand Prix
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I agree with you a certian extent. The are a few too many penalties being handed out, but that has been necessitated by teams and drivers flouting the rules. For instance I would have let Petrov off the incident at the start on Sunday, it was his fault but he was driving in good faith and simply made a very small error under very difficult conditions. In general they've been fairly good at not penalising racing incidents this season.
I think you are taking it much too far to suggest that drivers don't overtake because of the stewards though, I think it has very little to do with it at all. In my opinion it's more to do with the increased professionalism and monetisation of the sport and the vast increases in reliability. In days past it wasn't too bad if you messed up an overtake once, or even twice, a season because you could guarantee that your competitors would get DNFs from reliability or other incidents themselves. These days top drivers might not have a reliability DNF all season, so a driver error DNF is much more serious.
These factors together mean that there is much more emphasis on drivers 'bringing it home', getting full TV time, and not giving away a DNF that they might never recover from. Not to mention that it's just much harder to overtake than it used to be.
I'm completely shocked that Chandhok is still the top scoring driver for his team, given that he has raced only a handful of times. Clearly, dropping him was purely a financial decision.
We can also see that Bruno Senna isn't the same as Ayrton Senna.
Those stats are eye-opening.
Kubica is apparently the best driver in F1 making the whole of Ocuk wrong.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9080455.stm
I wish they would stop trying to make out doing well at spa and suzuka these days makes you the best driver in f1. This isn't the 80/90's anymore set up for the fast corners is no longer the compromise between speed and balls.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9080455.stm
I wish they would stop trying to make out doing well at spa and suzuka these days makes you the best driver in f1. This isn't the 80/90's anymore set up for the fast corners is no longer the compromise between speed and balls.
I think Kubica is underrated, I'd put him in the top four or five. I also have high expectations for Renault next year, see no reason why they can't bring together a decent car.
Soldato
stick him in a real car and he will have what it takes.
However he wont instantly be on the pace like lewis etc. So stick him against a established team mate and he probably wont fair to well?
However he wont instantly be on the pace like lewis etc. So stick him against a established team mate and he probably wont fair to well?
One thing I have noticed about Kubica (and I'm not sure if this is because of his car or because of his own ability), but he seems to qualify better than he can race.
When the race starts I find that Kubica becomes a mobile road block, similar to Trulli, though not to such an extreme.
Another point of note is that it is all very well doing well when you have nothing to lose and are not trying to win a championship, but when you have the pressure of leading a championship or attempting to gain on the championship leader, some drivers don't fair too well.
The real test for Kubica is when he has title contending vehicle and he is going wheel to wheel with the other title contenders, every single race...this will be the acid test.
There is no doubt that Kubica has qualified well and outperformed his team-mate. He is a good driver, but I can't help but feel we need to see him in a position where he is going for the title and has this added pressure.
When the race starts I find that Kubica becomes a mobile road block, similar to Trulli, though not to such an extreme.
Another point of note is that it is all very well doing well when you have nothing to lose and are not trying to win a championship, but when you have the pressure of leading a championship or attempting to gain on the championship leader, some drivers don't fair too well.
The real test for Kubica is when he has title contending vehicle and he is going wheel to wheel with the other title contenders, every single race...this will be the acid test.
There is no doubt that Kubica has qualified well and outperformed his team-mate. He is a good driver, but I can't help but feel we need to see him in a position where he is going for the title and has this added pressure.
Soldato
Not in Singapore, he was ripping up the pack with his new tyres at the end of the race due to a puncture, was great to watch.