Japanese Grand Prix 2010, Suzuka - Race 16/19

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I'd much prefer to have the McLarens up front, with Alonso a couple of rows back, then the Red Bulls a couple of rows behind that (essentially the reverse of the current top 5).

Great as in seeing RBR having to decide who they're going to back. I'd love to personally see a McLaren win yeah but drama makes for good TV :)
 
If RBR get a 1-2 in this race, we shall get our answer, as to whether or not RBR are now backing Webber or not.
I'm expecting Red Bull to be supremely poker-faced the whole weekend. If a 1-2 emerges I reckon they'll simply let them finish however they currently are.

What will be interesting is seeing what the driver in second does, especially if it's Webber. Will he be happy to sit there and take more points than Alonso, even though its not as much as he could take in winning? Will he risk passing a very temperamental German who has his own title ambitions, and risk a crash and/or fracturing up the entire team?

Should be interesting! :)

If I supported a driver of the chasing few I'd want them to beat Alonso on pace not because of reliability issues. I want them to prove who was faster on the track.

If Alonso beats JB from here til the last race and then blows up with 6 feet to go and JB won the title, for me it would be hollow. I'd know the faster driver lost the title because of something outside of his control.

I don't mind any of them winning it apart from Vettel but thats because he thrown away the best car for 2 years. He's faster than webber but webber has just about maximised he's opportunity.
Surely if you want to see purely the quickest racer win, why don't you just watch time trial events instead?
 
People didn't dislike MSc because he drove for ferrari, they disliked him because he is german, he was ruthless, not afraid to run his opponent off the road (add to that the fact that his opponent was british), that he had no personality, refused to talk to anyone except german media, and generally had no redeeming qualities.

Which is why a lot of people are commenting on the difference between 'then' MSc and 'now MSc

Ok, we all have our own reasons for disliking him! :p
 
As opposed to winning it because his team mate let him past?

Jv won a title because his team mate let him past
Hakkinen had help from DC.
MS had more than his fair share of help
Kimi won because of his team mate moving over
Alonso won in a one car team
Hamilton won because heikki got the hell out the way.
JB won because Ross is shrewd enough to have nobbled Rubens with strategy.

It's the way of modern F1.

Surely if you want to see purely the quickest racer win, why don't you just watch time trial events instead?

So you would rather the best and the fastest driver lost because of reliability?
I wouldn't, I was gutted for Kimi when he lost a title to Alonso because of a fragile car when he was truely the fastest driver that year.

Time trial has nothing to do with wanting the best driver to win, as he showed in the last race he could win in a car that wasn't the class of the field. I'd rather that than watch say JB get a 2nd title off the back off two early wins and being consistently slower than all around him and picking up 2nds 3rds and 4ths etc.
 
I'm expecting Red Bull to be supremely poker-faced the whole weekend. If a 1-2 emerges I reckon they'll simply let them finish however they currently are.

That's what I think.

Had Vettel been leading the title race though and Webber was leading in Japan, I'm sure RBR would've tried their hardest to get Vettel in front.
 
Jv won a title because his team mate let him past
Hakkinen had help from DC.
MS had more than his fair share of help
Kimi won because of his team mate moving over
Alonso won in a one car team
Hamilton won because heikki got the hell out the way.
JB won because Ross is shrewd enough to have nobbled Rubens with strategy.
It's the way of modern F1.

Exactly. What I'm saying is that winning a championship through other people's lack of reliability is just as valid as winning it through other people getting out of your way. In fact if I had a choice, I'd rather see the reliability problems.
 
Really looking forward to this qualy tomorrow morning. Got my alarm set for 4:45 so I'll probably be in bed an hour or so earlier than normal :D Bring on the rain.

Anyone else got this horrible feeling in their stomach that Lewis is going to bin it again during qualy ? :( I honestly think someone may have said to him " Look Lewis we understand you need to push and get plenty of points this weekend, but ffs just take it easy eh? " It looks like he's slipping back into that 2007 era where he just made so many silly mistakes which were blamed on his lack of experiance, now he's been world champ he should be doing better than this. Alonso is really showing why he is a 2 time world champion in this second half of the season. The guy is a major player in this years championship and may well nail the next 4 races and clinch the title. Lewis is still my absolute favourite though :D he just needs to step up and show us fans what he's capable of.

Qualifying prediction

1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Eyebrow man
 
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I tell you what. I was losing faith in Alonso's ability and was beginning to think that maybe he was trading on past reputations. After the string of strong results in recent races, he has restored my faith in his ability. Like many, I too believe he is the most complete driver in F1.

I questioned Whitmarshs comments, when he stated that he has a policy of hiring the best 2 drivers in F1, at all times. After McLaren let Alonso go, I questioned if Whitmarsh really had the balls to hire 2 top drivers. After hiring Button, I believe that he wasn't talking bull.

I do wonder that had Whitmarsh been in charge of McLarenF1 in 2007, would he have let Alonso go?

Ron Denis well and truly lost it in 2007, when he was crying whenever Hamilton won a race. He really was in it to play happy families. When he stepped down in 2008, I think it was the right decision as he just didn't seem to possess the killer will to win, which he possessed in the 80s and 90s. During those years he would've done anything to hold onto the best driver(s), as was witnessed during the Prost/Senna/McLaren era.
 
lewis just doesnt handle pressure well, he showed what he can do last year with no pressure scoring the most points in the 2nd half.

In which case, he shouldn't worry about the championship and drive eyeballs out, every race, which is what he does best.

Face it...sometimes his risky style of driving pays off...sometimes it doesn't. Its unfortunate for him that he has come off 2nd best in both instances in the last 2 races, but Hamilton is too good a driver to not score points regularly. I'm sure Hamilton will score points in Japan (reliability permitting), as having 3 crashes in 3 successive races is unlikely for a driver of Hamilton's calibre.
 
I tell you what. I was losing faith in Alonso's ability and was beginning to think that maybe he was trading on past reputations. After the string of strong results in recent races, he has restored my faith in his ability. Like many, I too believe he is the most complete driver in F1.

I questioned Whitmarshs comments, when he stated that he has a policy of hiring the best 2 drivers in F1, at all times. After McLaren let Alonso go, I questioned if Whitmarsh really had the balls to hire 2 top drivers. After hiring Button, I believe that he wasn't talking bull.

I do wonder that had Whitmarsh been in charge of McLarenF1 in 2007, would he have let Alonso go?

Ron Denis well and truly lost it in 2007, when he was crying whenever Hamilton won a race. He really was in it to play happy families. When he stepped down in 2008, I think it was the right decision as he just didn't seem to possess the killer will to win, which he possessed in the 80s and 90s. During those years he would've done anything to hold onto the best driver(s), as was witnessed during the Prost/Senna/McLaren era.

i dont think even Whitmarsh would have held on to Alonso
 
Proof that in F1 you really are only as good as your last race. Or in Hamilton's case, your last practice session...

how about your only as good as your last 2 races then to make it fair , oh wait he didnt finish those either :D

MW: hey lewis we will be evaluating a few new parts during this session go out do a few laps and we can collect some data.
*BANG*
LH: oh **** your data is er corrupt

:D
 
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i dont think even Whitmarsh would have held on to Alonso

I don't think thats true at all. Alonso's problem was Dennis, Dennis couldn't run a unbiased team at all. Ron's trouble in the 00's was he hired drivers to stop anyone else having them and then critised and did his best to cause unrest in comparison to his favourite.

He did this to DC, hell they had DC move over twice, once with a tale of how they bodged Mikas stop. Imagine them telling hamilton, sorry old boy you have to move over we got Buttons strategy wrong and we think it's only right he has the win.

He did it to JPM, he hired him then attacked him 20 minutes later.

He did it to Alonso, but Alonso unlike the others fought him back hard.

As much as Whitmarsh is a lieing **** like the rest he wouldn't have had the ties to team hamilton like ron did and would have handled it so much better.

Just look at ron creaming his knickers when hamilton won a couple of races ago. You think you would even see him smiling if Button had won?
 
My favourite race weekend of the year :D

So I'm waking up early even though I'm going out tonight! Personally I'm predicting a Webber > Alonso > Vettel > Hamilton first 2 rows. I feel that Vettel will make a mistake somewhere again during Q3 and screw up the lap time.

PS: We have sooo many Alonso haters on here
 
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