Japanese Grand Prix 2012, Suzuka - Race 15/20

What's the ponit in following a team or driver if you think they are going to lose each race?
no F1 driver ever thinks he will lose or he would not be there trying to win ;)

I've been saying since 1963 that villa will win the fa cup again...but they never do :(

In a nut shell it's called being a loyal supporter :)

back on topic please.

You're a Villa fan too? ALL IS FORGIVEN! :D
 
Agreed!

It is odd that some people are surprised that this forum has a majority of Hamilton/Button/McLaren fans considering they are British drivers, a British team and most of us are British...

what makes mclaren more british than the other teams based in britain?

mclaren is only 25% owned by ron dennis the rest is foreign investors
 
If I was to pick a team that is British, it would be Williams probably, but they don't seem to get the Brit support for some reason, well not since they stopped winning ;)
 
If I was to pick a team that is British, it would be Williams probably, but they don't seem to get the Brit support for some reason, well not since they stopped winning ;)

I've always liked both Mclaren and Williams, mainly I think from the days when Ferrari were dominating and it would often be those two attacking them
 
Williams lost a lot of support when they dropped Hill right after he won the WDC in favour of Heinz-Harald Frentzen, and again when shortly afterwards they became half German with BMW.

I never rated Damon that highly to be honest, but he was massively massively popular with the British public. My father still hasn't forgiven old Frank for that perceived injustice to this day.
 
Didn't the discover they had the non regulation breaking method of doing it in parc ferme? So it wasn't punishable because the rules say you're not allowed to change the ride hight in a specific manor but doing it by doing something "legal" to the car was technically legit...

Something stupid and typical F1 like that anyway.

The FIA found it could be changed by hand when rules say it must be done with tools.

You're a Villa fan too? ALL IS FORGIVEN! :D


Up the villa...euro cup next year :D:D
 
what makes mclaren more british than the other teams based in britain?

mclaren is only 25% owned by ron dennis the rest is foreign investors

:rolleyes:

This right here is the problem with the Motorsport section. This is what causes all of the petty little squabbles that turn into multi-page rants and end up getting threads closed.

One small element from something someone says is leapt on in an act of pure pedantry while the gist of the post is ignored.

The OP then has to back up that tiny part of their original statement while the original point gets completely lost and we're three pages later having gotten nowhere.

It's got nothing to do with good discussion or debate either, because it's completely off topic from the original dialogue and the focus on one little detail ends up snowballing out of control.
 
Panzerbjorn
remain on topic or do not post.

my question and the fact posted is not likely to get the thread closed,

you responding with a roll eyes and seemingly trying to start an argument is
 
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FIA have tweaked the front wing load tests for this race onwards - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103056

Surely if given the notice they can test the wing themselves, determine if it will fail the new test themselves, if so, put on the backup wing that won't fail, and rework the dodgy wing to pass the new test and maybe have it for the next race. Lose the advantage for a race, sure, but if you can come up with something that gives an edge for 3-4 races, then you just get pushed back in with everyone else, you don't get caught, and 3-4 races can easily end up the difference between a win and a loss.

Bah, I'm against cheating no matter the team, but they really need to find a way to test this stuff with the car under load, in use. Though I can understand why that would be very very difficult. Potentially a ridiculously high fps super high def cam used to take video comparison around a high speed, a low speed corner and a high speed straight. It's probably not particularly possible in practice but, we could all see the RBR wing bouncing around more than anyone elses wing like crazy when the car was in motion but passed the stupid tests easily.

Maybe we need some kind of situation where they have to keep wings they use in previous races and if they fail new tests they can lose points, which would make the risk/reward of cheating at all not worth it? I dunno, just dislike this you can cheat as long as the tests don't catch it mentality... then again everyone is at it.
 
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here we go again...
ask a legitimate question.
get the usual suspects coming in with rubbish and taking a thread off topic whilst trying to shift the blame onto someone else

someome says most of the forum supoort mclare because there a british team....
i ask what makes them more british than any other team based in britain thats also owned by foreign investors for the most part.

which to me seems a perfectly valid question from an unbiased viewpoint.... maybe you guys should realise its not me looking for an argument its you getting offended from a harmless question and deciding to kick off with the usual crap that ruin almost every thread on here.

F1 is serious business...
 
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I never rated Damon that highly to be honest, but he was massively massively popular with the British public. My father still hasn't forgiven old Frank for that perceived injustice to this day.

He was the only Brit capable of standing up to MSc. In fact, during the mid-90s, after Senna died, Mansell and Prost quit, Hill was the only competition that MSc had in 1994 and 1995. As per usual, as soon as he won the title, Williams got rid of the reigning champ (probably squabbling over money/salary).
 
As per usual, as soon as he won the title, Williams got rid of the reigning champ (probably squabbling over money/salary).

They decided to get rid of him before he won the 96 title. The decision was taken in 95 when he utterly failed to win the title in the best car. The when a rookie took him to the wire and at tracks where he had never visited they knew they had made the right call.

Money was an excuse to get rid of him and also for mclaren not to take him. Mclaren offered Hill a small wage and £1m per win but he was outraged that they didn't hold him in high enough regard, so went to arrows for the bottom line figure. Had he signed a 2/3 year deal at Mclaren for 97 and 98 I'm sure he would have ended up better off.
 
Surely if given the notice they can test the wing themselves, determine if it will fail the new test themselves, if so, put on the backup wing that won't fail, and rework the dodgy wing to pass the new test and maybe have it for the next race. Lose the advantage for a race, sure, but if you can come up with something that gives an edge for 3-4 races, then you just get pushed back in with everyone else, you don't get caught, and 3-4 races can easily end up the difference between a win and a loss.

Bah, I'm against cheating no matter the team, but they really need to find a way to test this stuff with the car under load, in use. Though I can understand why that would be very very difficult. Potentially a ridiculously high fps super high def cam used to take video comparison around a high speed, a low speed corner and a high speed straight. It's probably not particularly possible in practice but, we could all see the RBR wing bouncing around more than anyone elses wing like crazy when the car was in motion but passed the stupid tests easily.

Maybe we need some kind of situation where they have to keep wings they use in previous races and if they fail new tests they can lose points, which would make the risk/reward of cheating at all not worth it? I dunno, just dislike this you can cheat as long as the tests don't catch it mentality... then again everyone is at it.

Haven't heard what notice the teams have had, it would be a bit underhand to move the goal posts at such short notice, as the rules only state that it has to pass the test (as we all know from RB in the last few years where you could clearly see the wing moving but was legal (no problem with that)).

Its really just poor testing by the FIA but guess its not particularly easy job to say the least.
 
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