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Yep. Vettel is getting thoroughly found out.
Poll: Japanese Grand Prix 2018, Suzuka - Race 17/21
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Yep. Vettel is getting thoroughly found out.
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Vettel still seems to be the crash kid with a childish temper. They should have replaced him.
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Race Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRTmuPOhaIA
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Suzuka is a proper track, nice to see Hamilton calling out the crap ones.
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Ta. Yeah that crash was totally on Vettel, and Max totally earned that penalty.
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Oh hai there trollvester...yawn.
Crashstappen is a tough one to pass, he’s a bit mental in that he will try and take you off the course or end your race. How the hell he still had his licence is beyond me. So Vettel should have just played the waiting game, he had a 5 sec penalty to do.
But Ferrari are so much lulz at the moment. Start of the season they were pretty much ahead of everyone and now just like last year...they are going to lose both championships due to some brain dead decisions.
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Feels like we're quite literally back at the status quo of the last 4 seasons now with Merc getting the pipe and slippers out cruising home to the titles.
Ferrari need to find another 'different interpretation of the rules' at the start of the next season to compete, and hope that they actually capitalise on it this time before they get caught rather than squander it!!
Ferrari need to find another 'different interpretation of the rules' at the start of the next season to compete, and hope that they actually capitalise on it this time before they get caught rather than squander it!!
Not sure it was that clear cut with the incident between Seb and Max, Max clearly shut the door with Seb was 3/4 along side. 50/50 incident IMO, the crash with Kimi on the otherhand was 100% Max.
Either way if Seb didn't make the pass it was game over the for the championship anyway as he had no chance of catching Hamilton by waiting for the pit stops.
No one has mentioned Bottas was almost caught be the Redbull AGAIN, that's a waste of a drive IMO.
Either way if Seb didn't make the pass it was game over the for the championship anyway as he had no chance of catching Hamilton by waiting for the pit stops.
No one has mentioned Bottas was almost caught be the Redbull AGAIN, that's a waste of a drive IMO.
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Max had a 5 second penalty already, didn't he?, so Vettel just needed to wait.
And with Max taking a 5s penalty too. Mind you, the Red Bulls seem pretty good in race trim lately.
You missed the point, if Seb waited for the pit stop Lewis would have been 15+ secs down the road and its game over for the championship anyway. He HAD to get ahead in the first few laps to have any chance of getting past Bottas and have a go at Lewis. Seb HAD to win for the championship, anything less it's game over, it's now game over.
Just watched the Max interview at the end of the race, not sure what he is smoking. What a nutter
.He just doesn't see how he messed up with that Kimi incident. 'He should have just waited for me to come back on'. Utter mentalist, its not go-karts Max....
As for no one can overtake at the hairpin, I remember a race where Kobayashi made loads of overtakes in that hairpin. It can be done, just not when you have Max who thinks he is playing Mario Kart. Surprised Seb spun though as he was on the inside, its normally the car on the outside that spins. But thats twice now for Seb.
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Both his own fault.
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Fairly dull race apart from the various Verstappen Vs. Vettel incidents.
Ferrari appear to be in Full Omnishambles Mode which is very disappointing as they clearly have fast car when they set it up correctly.
Ferrari appear to be in Full Omnishambles Mode which is very disappointing as they clearly have fast car when they set it up correctly.
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I was busy watching Bathurst, then getting some sleep so playing catch up on this.
Vettel and Ferrari in OMG panic mode. The car might be very quick, but he's proved his racecraft is lacking. Again.
Vettel and Ferrari in OMG panic mode. The car might be very quick, but he's proved his racecraft is lacking. Again.
They just need a driver and strategy team that don't make stupid mistakes. If Ferrari had Hamilton and made decent strategy decisions they'd be leading imo. Hamilton is all the difference, the cars have been mostly evenly matched over the season.
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Seb's chances were very slim coming into the weekend. Botching the quali made them even worse, but he ended it by crashing into Max. The smarter action was to stay out of trouble, or take Max where he could actually overtake without hitting him, and take what he could from the weekend with the hope of a safety car or similar to give him a little extra. But, and not for the first time this season, Vettel threw points away with a clumsy move early in the race.
Slim has become almost non-existent. The only thing that will stop Hamilton winning the season at the next race is a retirement.
If Vettel hadn't pulled a stupid attempt at a pass, he might have been able to pass in a better place within a lap or two, instead of going back to the rear of the race. Even if Vettel had to wait for Verstappen to pit, it would have meant being able to finish higher than he did, and would have put him in a position to capitalise on any incidents and maximise his points. By making an impatient, ill-advised, and ultimately disastrous attempt at an overtake, Vettel put himself in the position where he can't capitalise on any problems from the front runners, and he can't maximise his points or get a swap from Raikkonen.
Diving into that attempted pass was another Vettel gamble that went wrong, so he finished with less that he could have got by being a little patient, maximising his overtakes and thus his points. It's the story of Vettel this year - grand gestures and gambles because has to "go for it", and when they don't pay off, he ends up losing more points that he could have gained.
Vettel has not grown up from his first F1 racing days when he was impatient, hot-headed, and with poor wheel-to-wheel racing skills. Hamilton was the same when he started, but has grown into a fast, tactical, precise, patient driver who can translate a poor position into maximum points time and time again. And Hamilton has learned long ago that if you don't want to have to deal with a poor situation on the track, then make sure you work hard and do the maximum so that you're not in that position in the first place.
This is why Hamilton is schooling Vettel, and while he had the excuse of the Renault engine in the Red Bull, or the poor performance of the Ferrari, no one has put Vettel under the magnifying glass too much. This year, the Ferrari is good, but Vettel and the Ferrari team are showing they can't race as well as Mercedes.
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Agree with Stig. i think Hamilton's mercedes championships are so severely diminished by being in the V6 era I will never actually consider him much of a multiple world champion.