Joe Rogan and Spotify
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I suspect they had some input and invited him to delete certain episodes, perhaps gave him a list which they'd flagged as problematic. Some atheist guy on Twitter earlier was pointing out that his interview had been pulled and that the n-word hadn't been uttered in that one, but Saudi Arabia had been criticised and Spotify is now available there.
With a Covid notice below it I see going there directly.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/slz2jq/the_people_behind_the_out_of_context_joe_rogan/
Interesting reading and a fair bit of crap to wade through but kind of obvious it was something like this.
Interesting reading and a fair bit of crap to wade through but kind of obvious it was something like this.
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TBH I find this more disturbing than anything. The idea that regimes get companies to remove content even if it isn't even available in that country, you can bet Saudi Spotify isn't the same as the US Spotify.
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From what I'm hearing from friends, family & colleagues they are reading the headlines of the media and think they know the whole of what he said.
Me and the wife have just watched 60 Days With The Gypsies which prompted the conversation about Carr because she thought from headlines she knew what it was about, she hadn't read the full joke and when I showed her she said "Well that's how people are treating the Gypsies on this documentary, they don't care".
I also think that is it?
Pretty sure Baddiel knows exactly what the whole of his 'joke' was and just saying you shouldn't tell any joke about the Holocaust.
Which seems ridiculous, I mean he was quite clearly framing it as a horrific event, the joke was just an ironic bit re: the lack of recognition of the other groups that were killed too.
You often see the holocaust victims referred to as 6 million jews killed etc.. but really it was more like 9 million people including 6 million jews + 3 million gypsies, slavs, political prisoners, gay people etc...
Anyway, Baddiel has his own past re: dodgy jokes, here he is blacking up to mock a footballer:
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trivialising the holocaust by equating it to a popular culture meme
but - balance in everything - boris appears to be some kind of clown influencer like rogan (and his namesake logan for that matter) from bj's previous podacasts -
the lock up of zagar-radcliff, pillar boxes, now harassment of Kier ... so he should be cancelled too, it's only fair.
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but it isn't doing that. If it was I'd fully understand them being upset.
I think there is a difference between someone telling a joke about the holocaust and someone who is making a serious statement.
Jimmy Carr has a famous holocaust joke on one of his main videos that people have watched millions of times on youtube yet nobody as said anything about it, so far.
Jewish comedy, like a lot of working class comedy, has an element of self deprecation. It looks to me like someone as come along and just seen a group being bullied and want it banned.
Having an opinion that is contrary to the one generally accepted view now risks the person being cancelled.
Jimmy Carr has a famous holocaust joke on one of his main videos that people have watched millions of times on youtube yet nobody as said anything about it, so far.
Jewish comedy, like a lot of working class comedy, has an element of self deprecation. It looks to me like someone as come along and just seen a group being bullied and want it banned.
Having an opinion that is contrary to the one generally accepted view now risks the person being cancelled.
I watched the special on Netflix lastnight but fell asleep before the naughty joke.
Imagine being upset by a naughty joke.
Not being able to differentiate between a joke and genocide..... Lol I will never understand this.
Imagine being upset by a naughty joke.
Not being able to differentiate between a joke and genocide..... Lol I will never understand this.
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It's easy. You either need to be malicious, stupid, or both.
it's a classic psychological strategy - yes Carr's not doing it intentionally like a right politician might (just out of stupidity)
but you draw the equivalence in impressionable minds that genocide is no worse than protesting against, say, location of a local gypsy camp,
I doubt Carr uses the Uyghur's as a reference point, not for that audience anyway.
We're kind of going back to "we can't trust people to hear jokes", in the same way that people like you also don't feel you can trust people to hear varied sides of arguments so want to ban "misinformation". This is the same type of Authoritarian left wing thinking that took hold in the USSR and China, it ends up with the government overstepping and banning movies, music, video games; anything they want to label as a "danger to society" - the reality being they just want to hold on to power and ban speech that makes them look bad. Please educate yourself on the importance of free speech.
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Sam's take on 'the N-word' is spot on. I've always found it absurd and childish, reminiscent of primary school ("miss, johnny said the s-word!") and actually invoked the Voldemort reference myself in the past discussing it.
I also agree that it masks real issues of racism.
I don't think Joe should have apologised for that, however, the 'planet of the apes' quote was bad and to me had no context other than a racist joke. It'd be hard to apologise for one issue and not for the other, I suppose.
However I can't agree with his characterisation of Joe as very ethical. I consider him to have sold out with the Spotify deal and have seen him as a grifter ever since the vaccine stuff started.
I don't buy the excuse of having little time and lots of podcast guests - he previously stated to Candace Owens re: climate change that ones default stance on something not understood should be to believe the majority of scientists.
He hammered that point when he could have let her off. But then he flipped that ethos for Covid vaccines because it got him views and thus money from his fanbase.
While we're on flip flopping, he fawned over 100% grifting conman Bob Lazar on UFO nonsense, but could barely contain his derision for Tom Delonge who while talks a lot of crap, seems to be deluded as opposed to a charlatan.
I guess Sam knows him better than I do, but it doesn't look good to me.
It's good to know Sam at least had words privately about the covid/vaccine stuff, a lot were disappointed he didn't do more to call him out on it.
What supremely sucks about this debacle is it's conflated antivax crap and racism. The 'muh covid freedom' gang can now point to the this latest thing and removed podcasts and see it as supporting their censorship conspiracy.
When there's fundamentally two completely seperate problems, a) covid misinformation and b) the woke mob trying to cancel him
But since it looks like there was a superPAC related media company behind the n-word video compilation that triggered the mob, the waters may actually be quite muddy here....
I don't believe he is gifting at all. My guess is that he distrusts lagre corporations, like pharma, so that's where it differs from the climate change issue.
He is also a fitness fanatic, and has criticised the government from the start for not promoting a healthy lifestyle and developing the immune system to help fight covid.
He is also a fitness fanatic, and has criticised the government from the start for not promoting a healthy lifestyle and developing the immune system to help fight covid.