John Terry... you rat!

JohnnyG said:
Your first allegation is just paper rumours* & you've no idea whether Bridge (did he dump her cos she was a slapper?) or any other players are really bothered.

*I heard about an article in the press the other day that had it's headline along the lines of 'JT sold his Wembley box' or something, but further down in the article (in the small print if you like) it said that JT didn't even know it had been sold.
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Strange how he has never sued the paper(s) in question if it was just rumours and given alll this stuff about trying to get sponsorship by advertising the Captaincy etc, its not exactly as though he is above this kind oof thing
 
Indeed, if these things weren't true Terry could sue them over this.

I don't think England will in the World Cup. Until it starts we have no idea what knock on effect this will have in the England camp. A similar thing (kinda) happened to America a few years ago and they imploded in that competition.

Anyway, old news is old.
 
HangTime said:
Again, completely different situation because Rebecca Loos wasn't the partner of a teammate.

If it was just a case of him having an affair, it would be a scandal of course but it wouldn't come to this. Plenty of sportsmen have affairs and (aside from a bit of bad press) 'get a way with it' because they are just porking some random bird and it wouldn't disrupt the dressing room.
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Yup, its NOT the affair itself here, lots of people, dare I say most people stay at some stage. Considering you see stats like 50% of marraiges fail, lots of them due to cheating and lots because people want to put it about but end the marraige first, then all those that cheat but stay together, its not uncommon or necessarily an "evil" thing.

Its the cheating on a team mates, essentially, ex wife. They also separated due to distance it would seem rather than hating each other, he has a kid with her, its a trust with a team mate he broke in maybe the worst way you can.

If you lose the trust of the players around you, well, the idea is do you want Bridge in for an injured Cole, in the world cup final, and your captain needs to shout at the left back to pick up his game, at which point anger boils over, Bridge decides to punch Terry in the face, he retaliates and they both get sent off?

Bridge isn't great, but we have very few left backs, theres a very good chance Bridge will go to the world cup and Terry, not Bridge, has made their working relationship strained to say the least. LIkewise, other team mates will lose trust with Terry, because thats life, when one of your best mates bangs your other best mates bird, you aren't impartial, you have views and likely would side with the "wronged" friend.

Terry rightly should have the captaincy taken away, not really because of the actual act he commited, but because of the inability to do what he needs to do, when some team mates don't trust him.


Seems very odd giving the captaincy to a player whose been incredibly unfit over the past couple years, as theres a higher chance of him than most others, simply not playing, at which point you need to elect a new leader whose not used to it. Personally I'd pick Lampard, he'll be playing, rarely injured, incredibly consistancy as a player for so long, a decent bloke, liked by everyone it would seem.
 
There is no-one can replace John Terry. I'd rather have a philanderer have the arm band than a drugs cheat, especially when the philanderer is easily the best leader whilst on the pitch.
 
Good point, would rather have somebody who messed up outside the game than somebody who royally screwed up in relation to the game.
 
Gilly said:
There is no-one can replace John Terry. I'd rather have a philanderer have the arm band than a drugs cheat, especially when the philanderer is easily the best leader whilst on the pitch.
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Agreed. Will Rio even make it to the world cup or will he be keeping Hargreaves company!
 
Gilly said:
There is no-one can replace John Terry. I'd rather have a philanderer have the arm band than a drugs cheat, especially when the philanderer is easily the best leader whilst on the pitch.
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According to Capello he isnt;)...dont blame him for taking it off him in all honesty...the fact that there could be friction in the dressing room is something Capello probably didnt take lightly.

Personally i would have given the armband to Lampard.
 
imo Lampard is not a leader, even though in terms of scandals he'd probably be the most clean, bit strange though choosing your captain based on how much of a **** they are/aren't rather than their leading ability
 
Lampard himself has cheated on his (then girlfriend) wife IIRC.

He does have the clean-cut image, but he's not a leader on the park is he?

Should have been Barry IMO.
 
His Chelsea team mates will back him to the end but other club England team mates may not. I can see why Capello has done it even tho Terry is the best man for the job.
 
For me he easily deserves his place ahead of Gerrard. He's a much better England player than Gerrard ever has been.

He also frees Lamps up to be slightly further forward too. Something Gerrard doesn't manage as well.
 
Gerrard has been far from his best this season, injuries not helping but it depends if Capello will stick with a holding midfielder. It may also depend on the opposition
 
Gilly said:
Lampard himself has cheated on his (then girlfriend) wife IIRC.

He does have the clean-cut image, but he's not a leader on the park is he?

Should have been Barry IMO.
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Barry shouldn't be playing for England and the only reason he does is because Gerrard/Lampard are retarded together and Hargreaves is dead. He's not international quality
 
I would be happy with Hargreaves as captain too, if he wasn't dead.

Decent options are limited to Lamps and Barry. Barry is the better leader of the two IMO.

IIANM Gerrard has still been rubbish in an England shirt played on the right/left/without Lampard, no?
 
Yeah Barry is better than Lampard but I'd be hesitant to give it to either. I'd probably keep it with Terry if they were the best alternatives though. Think I said at the time, really hard decision as Terry has acted like a massive idiot and probably deserves to be stripped of the title, but there's literally nobody else who I'd give it to. I'm sure Terry will still lead the team on the pitch tbh
 
Me too :)

The fact that it has gone to a choice not in the top 3 is wholly and completely wrong. Not only is he a drugs cheat, a drink/driver and been banned 3 [edit: 4]times for speed offences, but he watched his team this week, having been given the England armband, from the stands as he was banned for violent conduct.
 
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Gerrard's always dissapointing for England, He never sticks to his postition he does what he wants.

I'd rather see him dropped and 2 natural wingers along side Hargreaves / Lampard or Barry because Hargreaves is dead.
 
Gilly said:
Me too :)

The fact that it has gone to a choice not in the top 3 is wholly and completely wrong. Not only is he a drugs cheat, a drink/driver and been banned 3 times for speed offences, but he watched his team this week, having been given the England armband, from the stands as he was banned for violent conduct.
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Yes, very, very questionnable decision. I have never liked Ferdinand though, think he's a total bell end and a thug. When you see what he's done in writing though, it's staggering that he's leading the country, however, he probably represents the man on the street and most England fans probably love him and don't care about his terrible past.
 
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